Mr-X Posted October 22, 2008 Share #1 Posted October 22, 2008 Justin's recent thread on Birth Control Glasses got me thinking and I had a bit of a look through my resources and I have come up with a thesis that I would like to put forward. Basically what I am saying is that Vietnam era US MilitaryISSUE spectacles were in fact made from cellulose acetate, and that they were all grey in color and not black as most people think. They are often assumed to be black because the of following two points: 1. That civilian spectacles at the time were black, and 2. Being cellulose acetate they were semi translucent (see through) and in a black and white photo up against the face they appear black. Here is a picture of some issue BCGs Note the diamond shape reinforcements for the arm hinge visible in the left and right temple area, and that the frame lets light through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr-X Posted October 22, 2008 Author Share #2 Posted October 22, 2008 Note that the above issue BCG's are worn (in the first pic below) by Capt William Dean CO of the US Army Support Command 2nd Security Company 1971. Note that the BCGs are translucent and have the diamond shape supports. Compare the picture of Dean with the picture below it of Capt Lee Hornberger the 2nds XO. Hornberger's specs are clearly non issue black BCGs. Capt Dean Capt Hornberger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr-X Posted October 22, 2008 Author Share #3 Posted October 22, 2008 Here's a color pic of the Grey cellulose acetate frames. Note they appear to be multi color due to being translucent. Contrast them with the pic that Bolo supplied of non issue black BCG's below it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr-X Posted October 22, 2008 Author Share #4 Posted October 22, 2008 For some more examples of what I am saying. Here is a pic of LT Nakano with the issue translucent grey BCG's. This pic of LT Emery show non issue black BCGs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr-X Posted October 22, 2008 Author Share #5 Posted October 22, 2008 Another contrast of LT Nakano (top) who has the issue grey traslucent BCGs, with LT Emery who has non issue black BCGs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr-X Posted October 22, 2008 Author Share #6 Posted October 22, 2008 Here is one last contrast. SGT Ray with the grey issue BCG's against SP4 Ciacci with non issue Blacks BCG's. So, what does everyone think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr-X Posted October 22, 2008 Author Share #7 Posted October 22, 2008 Am I right in my thesis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surplus sammy Posted October 22, 2008 Share #8 Posted October 22, 2008 You are correct,the ones I have are the grey acetates,they would look black. Mine are the same as the first post,they take the colour of the back ground. If I put them with white paper under them,you can see they are grey. No were near black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surplus sammy Posted October 22, 2008 Share #9 Posted October 22, 2008 The skin & colour/b&w image theory works. The frames look yellowish in the colour shot, but black in the b&w shot. Then in this shot they look,yellow,black and greyish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugme Posted October 22, 2008 Share #10 Posted October 22, 2008 I'd have to agree here. The pair I have here looks the same. However, even though they were not officially black but, were in fact gray translucent... they still managed to have the Military's desired effect of being a good BCG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hudson Posted October 22, 2008 Share #11 Posted October 22, 2008 I wore the gray ones issued to me in 1968 and if they had been black we might have at least had some chance of looking like Buddy Holly When I got out I could not afford to replace them so I wore them for some time in the civilian world. I remember walking back to the US from Tijuana and even though I had fairly long hair by then, one of the Custom's guys asked me how long I'd been out of the service. Turns out it was the BCG's which prompted that question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve B. Posted October 22, 2008 Share #12 Posted October 22, 2008 I was issued black BCGs in 1973. The grey ones were earlier. The black BCGs were used until the brown ones came out in, I think, the 80s. I will try to find them this weekend and post a photo if there is any interest. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72newport Posted October 22, 2008 Share #13 Posted October 22, 2008 I was issued a pair of black ones when I enlisted in 1987 at Ft. Sill, they were so ugly I managed to make it through basic training wearing my contacts! No mean feat to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvage Sailor Posted October 22, 2008 Share #14 Posted October 22, 2008 The USN issued BCG's when I was in were all black. I'll have to search around for some USN bootcamp yearbooks I have and post some pics later this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJM Posted October 24, 2008 Share #15 Posted October 24, 2008 I too was issued two sets of black glasses in 1972. Never wore them. Black "half eyes" were still issued in the early 1990s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercenary25 Posted October 24, 2008 Share #16 Posted October 24, 2008 What about today? I've seen pictures of soldiers in Iraq wearing their own glasses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercenary25 Posted October 24, 2008 Share #17 Posted October 24, 2008 Oh also, I may be wrong but I've read somewhere that the reason those glasses were issued because it can be used with gas mask on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunbunny Posted October 25, 2008 Share #18 Posted October 25, 2008 Oh also, I may be wrong but I've read somewhere that the reason those glasses were issued because it can be used with gas mask on. Those requiring prescription glasses had special lenses made to be worn in the gas mask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOLO Posted October 25, 2008 Share #19 Posted October 25, 2008 Birth Control Glasses dont really look that bad on some people, they look retro style women in the military wear the same BCGs, they really look bad on the women Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehrentitle Posted October 25, 2008 Share #20 Posted October 25, 2008 What about today? I've seen pictures of soldiers in Iraq wearing their own glasses. The Army still issues brown BCGs but came out with the Army Frame of Choice Spectacle Program in about 2000. Soldiers may choose to have one pair of civilian-style frames along with one pair of standard-issue frames in fulfilling the readiness requirement for two pairs of eyeglasses. Civilian-style frames cost about $10 more than issue frames. I believe the other services also have simular programs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelmetGuy Posted October 27, 2008 Share #21 Posted October 27, 2008 Issue glasses, with the case and original June 1970 dated prescription. Right out of this soldier's trunk. Thought someone might find this interesting, since it has the dated prescription. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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heady506th Posted October 27, 2008 Share #23 Posted October 27, 2008 Very nice are these Vietnam ones very diffulcult to come by now adays. I have my own from the 90's on but would like to find a set to put on my vietnam guy when I build em. Nice just noticed on that set to that at FTCKY soldier had them. Amazing fact is that our glasses still are made at Knox and are recevied at Campbell much like that set....nice. When I get home next week I will see if I can't dig my old prescription out and compare it to that one. lol David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr-X Posted October 31, 2008 Author Share #24 Posted October 31, 2008 Issue glasses, with the case and original June 1970 dated prescription. Right out of this soldier's trunk. Thought someone might find this interesting, since it has the dated prescription. HelmetGuy there should be some markings on the nose piece of the Specs. Can you let me know what it says? Would I please be able to get a full scan of the perscription? Thanks. Leigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelmetGuy Posted October 31, 2008 Share #25 Posted October 31, 2008 HelmetGuy there should be some markings on the nose piece of the Specs. Can you let me know what it says? Would I please be able to get a full scan of the perscription? Thanks. Leigh Leigh, I sent you a PM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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