SA1794 Posted August 5, 2017 Share #76 Posted August 5, 2017 Looks like I'll be getting out of medal collecting. Seems most medals here in the Norteast are being shipped off to Capt Fake as it has been a while since I came across one. It will be interesting to see if there is a law of unintended consequences as medals will be shipped out of country and Fakes business will dry up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SA1794 Posted August 5, 2017 Share #77 Posted August 5, 2017 I meant Capt Fike - darn auto correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLeo Posted August 5, 2017 Share #78 Posted August 5, 2017 I meant Capt Fike - darn auto correct. Actually, you had it right the first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor996 Posted August 5, 2017 Share #79 Posted August 5, 2017 Actually, you had it right the first time. x3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schofield1943 Posted August 5, 2017 Share #80 Posted August 5, 2017 I wrote an email to GWU Law School Professor and Constitutional lawyer Jonathan Turley asking him his opinion on this matter. He has testified before Congress numerous times on a variety of issues relating to constitutionality and is highly and widely respected as an authority on the matter... And he wrote me back! He believes a challenge to these bills would be a "very, very interesting case." He also believed that it would present, in his view, a "very compelling constitutional claim." So - as someone who argues matters of constitutionality before the court, he believes there is legitimate merit to our case that these bills are unconstitutional. If the bill passes we really should try and put together a challenge. We would clearly have a legitimate case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garandomatic Posted August 5, 2017 Share #81 Posted August 5, 2017 I'll donate as much as i can give. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarbridge Posted August 5, 2017 Author Share #82 Posted August 5, 2017 It is not over til it's over.If it passes the House and gets signed into law...it will be challenged. We have plenty who are interested in helping on the cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDK Posted August 5, 2017 Share #83 Posted August 5, 2017 I'll donate as much as i can give. Count me in as well....maybe if it comes to it, we can have a forum direct donate button like we do for yearly dues? Consolidating our efforts will get us further! JD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uniformcollector Posted August 5, 2017 Share #84 Posted August 5, 2017 Forgive me if this has already happened, but does a website exist for our cause? If not, I would be happy to put one together along with other members who might have examples of hearts thrown in the trash or have done displays to honor the brave veterans who earned them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garandomatic Posted August 5, 2017 Share #85 Posted August 5, 2017 Man, i say go for it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarbridge Posted August 5, 2017 Author Share #86 Posted August 5, 2017 Forgive me if this has already happened, but does a website exist for our cause? If not, I would be happy to put one together along with other members who might have examples of hearts thrown in the trash or have done displays to honor the brave veterans who earned them.We have been working on one but it has never become a reality. I believe we could use help in this area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uniformcollector Posted August 5, 2017 Share #87 Posted August 5, 2017 I would be glad to do whatever I can. Let me check tonight for a few domain name options and share them on here. From there, we can work on the content. Who knows, maybe some staffer might click on the website and understand the other side... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captainofthe7th Posted August 5, 2017 Share #88 Posted August 5, 2017 Contact Dave regarding the website. He has a domain and I worked a bit on getting it organized. I'm still willing to keep going on it! Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarbridge Posted August 5, 2017 Author Share #89 Posted August 5, 2017 Contact Dave regarding the website. He has a domain and I worked a bit on getting it organized. I'm still willing to keep going on it! Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk If it has to do with his non profit...I don't think that one will transfer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobgee Posted August 5, 2017 Share #90 Posted August 5, 2017 If it becomes law it has to be challenged in court. Meaning - there probably has to an arrest and a defense. Don't think I can manage 6 months in the slammer at my age but I sure will donate $ to the defense fund! Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SA1794 Posted August 5, 2017 Share #91 Posted August 5, 2017 As written the law would make PHR complicent in a criminal act as the law prohibits mailing or shipping PH medals or exchanging anything of value. I would claim PHR is gaining something of value in travel and donations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarbridge Posted August 5, 2017 Author Share #92 Posted August 5, 2017 As written the law would make PHR complicent in a criminal act as the law prohibits mailing or shipping PH medals or exchanging anything of value. I would claim PHR is gaining something of value in travel and donations.Yes...it has kind of been our Ace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarbridge Posted August 5, 2017 Author Share #93 Posted August 5, 2017 A recipient can sell his award... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thisisme Posted August 5, 2017 Share #94 Posted August 5, 2017 Does anyone have experience setting up a "GoFundMe" account? May want to set one up to obtain donations to the legal fund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarbridge Posted August 5, 2017 Author Share #95 Posted August 5, 2017 Does anyone have experience setting up a "GoFundMe" account? May want to set one up to obtain donations to the legal fund. We have...I will try to get an update on our attempt to get some account to receive donations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobgee Posted August 5, 2017 Share #96 Posted August 5, 2017 A recipient can sell his award... Yes.......but to whom? It will be illegal to purchase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schofield1943 Posted August 5, 2017 Share #97 Posted August 5, 2017 Yes.......but to whom? It will be illegal to purchase. This is one of the major flaws in the bill and one of the major points to be argued against it. First it makes no mention of posthumous awards or the hundreds of thousands of cases where a PH exists because of those circumstances. It is biased against the dead towards the living. Secondly, even if a living serviceman is legally allowed to sell his PH, if the buyer cannot resell it down the road it arguably has no value. Meaning even if the language permits a servicemen to sell it - there is no market to buy it. The government would need to have a compelling interest to make the sale illegal. Simply saying it needs to be illegal to protect the integrity of the award did not hold up in the 2005 Stolen Valor Act (see Justice Kennedy's remarks) so I'm not sure what has changed (even if that case was about freedom of speech). The fact that Purple Hearts were allowed to be sold for some 80+ years before they decided to try and outlaw them also work heavily against it. The revised Stolen Valor Act is entirely predicated on fraud - and there is no issue of fraud taking place in our examples. There seems to have been extremely little thought put into this bill - it truly is "feel good legislation" that is in the end wildly unconstitutional. I believe a court challenge would go in our favor rather quickly as this sort of bill sets a terrible precedent (even if it had to go all the way to SCOTUS). One an effective constitutional lawyer would be able to argue convincingly. There are at least a half dozen or more issues with this bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarbridge Posted August 5, 2017 Author Share #98 Posted August 5, 2017 Yes.......but to whom? It will be illegal to purchase.Bob...posted with sacarsm...one of our points since added in SR 765... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarbridge Posted August 5, 2017 Author Share #99 Posted August 5, 2017 We are basically rehashing information we have been over many times.The bill passed the Senate and if it passes the House and gets signed into the Law of the land, we can attack it and use all the flaws against it.It does look that we will be hiring legal counsel to reverse the legislation. I am not a lawyer but we need to push on this as soon as there is a possibility of overturning it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schofield1943 Posted August 5, 2017 Share #100 Posted August 5, 2017 Indeed - and while I don't want to re-litigate the case on here it is worth noting that some of the language used in the Senate proceeding to me actually further hurts their case. Especially the claim of wanting to end 'profiteering'. That is not only pretty ambiguous but could be a very slippery slope in regards to capitalism in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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