Delta Dagger Posted March 29, 2017 Share #1 Posted March 29, 2017 Hi guys, fake or real deal? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwb123 Posted March 29, 2017 Share #2 Posted March 29, 2017 Looks like a good 1960's era US made patch. I've seen similar backings on dated Boy Scout patches from that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamski Posted March 30, 2017 Share #3 Posted March 30, 2017 Gotta be really careful with FIS patches as Aero Emblem had many of them reproduced in the 1990's on the original machines. Not sure about this one. -Ski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Posted March 30, 2017 Share #4 Posted March 30, 2017 Gotta be really careful with FIS patches as Aero Emblem had many of them reproduced in the 1990's on the original machines. Not sure about this one. -Ski Aeroemblem sold the reproductions, but did not have them made. IIRC Aeroemblem was upfront that these were repros. The were done by an old Nordco employee in the 80s. These are done very cheaply, you can see right though them and there are tons of synthetic threads on the backs along with a large, loose cheesecloth. Some that I can recall off the top of my head: 2,13, 29, 60, 93, 95, 431, 440, 497 FIS, 417 FBS, 334 TFS, 327 BS. There are others. If I remember I'll post a couple here. The 13 FIS above looks good. Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta Dagger Posted March 30, 2017 Author Share #5 Posted March 30, 2017 Thank you guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamski Posted March 31, 2017 Share #6 Posted March 31, 2017 Aeroemblem sold the reproductions, but did not have them made. IIRC Aeroemblem was upfront that these were repros. The were done by an old Nordco employee in the 80s. These are done very cheaply, you can see right though them and there are tons of synthetic threads on the backs along with a large, loose cheesecloth. Some that I can recall off the top of my head: 2,13, 29, 60, 93, 95, 431, 440, 497 FIS, 417 FBS, 334 TFS, 327 BS. There are others. If I remember I'll post a couple here. The 13 FIS above looks good. Randy I dunno about that. I have seen the 95th and patches they made and they look pretty accurate. The thing that kills them are the synthetic threads and they are rather floppy. I will have to search one out..... -Ski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Posted March 31, 2017 Share #7 Posted March 31, 2017 I dunno about that. I have seen the 95th and patches they made and they look pretty accurate. The thing that kills them are the synthetic threads and they are rather floppy. I will have to search one out..... -Ski Yes, they look accurate, especially from the front, as they were done from original punch cards with a Schiffli machine. then you flip them over and go "Whoa". Here's a 80s era 431 FIS. Look at all that Synthetic thread. I glows without a black light! Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Posted March 31, 2017 Share #8 Posted March 31, 2017 And the back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Posted March 31, 2017 Share #9 Posted March 31, 2017 And since I'm a packrat here's a page from an Aeroemblem catalog in the 90s clearly describing these. I was around when these hit the market in the late 80s, and then they were being sold as repros. Funny thing was the ones Rosen did were some of the most common ones, but I don't know his reasoning there. The 13th above looks like it doesn't have all those threads in it, but again it's hard to see without holding it. Most really jump out at you. You could try the dreaded burn test and see if those white threads melt. Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamski Posted March 31, 2017 Share #10 Posted March 31, 2017 Interesting that the 13th is illustrated....... I don't have a warm fuzzy about it. I wish I could find that 95th patch. It is somewhere around here. Its construction reminds me of the 13th shown above. -Ski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwb123 Posted March 31, 2017 Share #11 Posted March 31, 2017 $45 each, 20 years ago? Now I remember why I never bought any of these! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Posted March 31, 2017 Share #12 Posted March 31, 2017 Oops, now I see the disconnect. I wanted to say it was bad, not good in the first post! That's what happens when I sneak on at work. I thought Ski was questioning the source of these. All the ones I listed should be looked at carefully. And Gil, you're right. Back then you could find the originals for less than what he was selling them for. Again, you can see the large cheesecloth on the back of the twill one, and the tons of synthetic fiber on the FE one. I have a couple more I can post if interested. Sorry for the confusion above! Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamski Posted April 1, 2017 Share #13 Posted April 1, 2017 Oops, now I see the disconnect. I wanted to say it was bad, not good in the first post! That's what happens when I sneak on at work. I thought Ski was questioning the source of these. All the ones I listed should be looked at carefully. And Gil, you're right. Back then you could find the originals for less than what he was selling them for. Again, you can see the large cheesecloth on the back of the twill one, and the tons of synthetic fiber on the FE one. I have a couple more I can post if interested. Sorry for the confusion above! Randy Alright, that answers that! Whew! -Ski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Posted April 2, 2017 Share #14 Posted April 2, 2017 Yes, again I need to proof read stuff! Here's an example of real vs. repro. Good one fro the 50s at top, repro from 80s at bottom. Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Posted April 2, 2017 Share #15 Posted April 2, 2017 And the backs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwb123 Posted April 2, 2017 Share #16 Posted April 2, 2017 How about that. Good to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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