patches Posted January 6, 2017 Share #1 Posted January 6, 2017 An example, on one S/Sgt Willie R. Holt at Bragg in 1969 wears the type. Interesting he's a Drill Sergeant, I mentioned some where in an older topic that I seen these subdued type before on a non RVN item once, in a vintage clothing store in Manhattan, on a M51 field jacket, a drill sergeant too, all other insignia subdued, 3rd Army and all, it was in good/fair condition, significant wear, but a huuge price tag Holt was in the 101 in Nam, no luck on finding more info online on him, sub unit etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtA Posted January 6, 2017 Share #2 Posted January 6, 2017 but a huuge price tag So what? You should have bought it, as I would have loved to see a photo of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted January 6, 2017 Author Share #3 Posted January 6, 2017 So what? You should have bought it, as I would have loved to see a photo of it! Not for 375 bucks , and that was like 2006, the store was Cheap Jacks in NYC, not cheap I'd say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtA Posted January 6, 2017 Share #4 Posted January 6, 2017 wow. Even for one of those stores in NYC, that's a stupid price. (At least these days, you can take out the 'ol phone and take some good photos.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted February 8, 2018 Author Share #5 Posted February 8, 2018 Seems to have been quite the habit among Drill Sergeants. Fort Knox, Kentucky in 1968 (photo from member seanmc1114). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted February 8, 2018 Author Share #6 Posted February 8, 2018 If anyone finds other examples please add them here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve B. Posted February 8, 2018 Share #7 Posted February 8, 2018 As a former Drill Sergeant, I can't believe the f-ed up brim on SSG Holt's round brown. That would have been a definite NO GO in the 80s! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted March 10, 2018 Author Share #8 Posted March 10, 2018 Another great foto find by member seanmc1114 (posted a few days ago in Patches in Action). This, a 3rd Armd Div Spec 5 in West Germany in 1968. The first time in this topic we're seeing the type on a Non Drill Sergeant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martinjmpr Posted March 29, 2018 Share #9 Posted March 29, 2018 Another great foto find by member seanmc1114 (posted a few days ago in Patches in Action). This, a 3rd Armd Div Spec 5 in West Germany in 1968. The first time in this topic we're seeing the type on a Non Drill Sergeant. He appears to have a right sleeve patch which likely means he served in Vietnam. I'm guessing he just kept his VN stripes rather than sewing on the full color green/gold rank . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mysteriousoozlefinch Posted June 5, 2018 Share #10 Posted June 5, 2018 As requested by Patches, 33rd Infantry Brigade Sergeant and Staff Sergeant wearing subdued insignia during the 1968 riots in Chicago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted June 5, 2018 Author Share #11 Posted June 5, 2018 Another example of non Drill Sergeants wearing these. It would be interesting to see if these two Illinois National Guardsmen are both Nam vets, to see if they got combat patches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted May 11, 2019 Author Share #12 Posted May 11, 2019 A Spec 4, a non infantry U.S. Army Vietnam Vet of the 24th Infantry Division (M), worn maybe at Ft Reilly Kansas circa 1969-70 or by that elmt of the division still in West Germany during the same period. (posted originally by member hardhead a ways back) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted July 24, 2019 Share #13 Posted July 24, 2019 My father wearing jungles fatigues with subdued rank insignia at Fort Gordon, Georgia - early 1968. This was during the period he was serving in an AIT unit as part of the On The Job Training Phase of the NCO Candidate Course before he went to Vietnam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted July 24, 2019 Share #14 Posted July 24, 2019 Members of the 101st Airborne Division wearing subdued rank insignia on their jungle fatigues at Fort Campbell, Kentucky in late 1967 prior to deployment to Vietnam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted July 24, 2019 Share #15 Posted July 24, 2019 Members of the 2nd Infantry Division in Korea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted February 28, 2021 Author Share #16 Posted February 28, 2021 On 7/24/2019 at 6:53 AM, seanmc1114 said: Members of the 2nd Infantry Division in Korea Wow see how the one GI is wearing a Subdued 2nd Division patch but is wearing a Full Color Americal Division Combat Pach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martinjmpr Posted March 13, 2021 Share #17 Posted March 13, 2021 Also interesting that some have rank on the collar and some on the sleeve. Am I right in thinking that the pin-on collar rank started in Vietnam? It would make sense since jungle uniforms likely had to be changed out multiple times for troops who spent a lot of time in the field and they likely wouldn’t want to take the time to sew on rank insignia for a uniform that was probably going to be swapped for another one when it became unserviceable.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted March 14, 2021 Author Share #18 Posted March 14, 2021 11 hours ago, Martinjmpr said: Also interesting that some have rank on the collar and some on the sleeve. Am I right in thinking that the pin-on collar rank started in Vietnam? It would make sense since jungle uniforms likely had to be changed out multiple times for troops who spent a lot of time in the field and they likely wouldn’t want to take the time to sew on rank insignia for a uniform that was probably going to be swapped for another one when it became unserviceable. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk It was only towards late 68 that the enlisted collar rank insignia's both metal and cloth started to be seen more and more in Vietnam itself, they were worn in one form or another a little earlier, these being South Vietnamese made, but there use them in say the 66-67 period was not widespread at all. it was also around this time. late-sh 68 that U.S. made examples started to be made both metal and cloth, the cloth base cloth being OD Cotton Sateen, already the subdued OD Cotton Sateen officers ranks and branch of service cloth insignia and CIBs, CMBs and Jump Wings etc were already being made a little earlier in 1967, basically for wear in South Vietnam rather than outside of it. Late 1968, this was the time remember that the army prescribe the wearing of only subdued insignia on fatigue items, and taking its cue from the very practical enlisted metal and cloth collar rank badges that originated in South Vietnam decided to adopt this type for the whole army. By mid to late 1969 the subdued sleeve rank badges had largely disappeared and could only be seen here and there being worn, it being replaced by the metal and cloth collar rank badges, now U.S.. made types would also be seen alongside Vietnamese made types. As for the army outside of Southeast Asia and throughout the 70s in to at least in my day in the early 80s it was a mere personnel preference as to which one you would wear, cloth ? or metal ? on fatigue items and steel helmet covers both where thoroughly authorized with one not being prescribed over the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted March 14, 2021 Share #19 Posted March 14, 2021 A member of the 7th Infantry Division in South Korea sometime after 1967. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seanmc1114 Posted March 14, 2021 Share #20 Posted March 14, 2021 South Korea around 1967/1968. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share #21 Posted March 31, 2021 A shirt sold long time ago with its images still floating about see's a Sergeant E-5 Type of the 4th Army, a Cadre Instructor at Fort Polk Louisiana's Basic or AIT courses would be my first guess late 1968 into 1970. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted March 31, 2021 Author Share #22 Posted March 31, 2021 On 3/14/2021 at 7:01 AM, seanmc1114 said: South Korea around 1967/1968. More like 1968-69 Sean as he's wearing the new Pfc ranks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted April 5, 2021 Author Share #23 Posted April 5, 2021 Another find, MACV Vet now stateside in a unit under 1st Army, 1967-69 say, this time with In Country made Spec 5 subdued sleeve ranks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted March 12, 2022 Author Share #24 Posted March 12, 2022 Found a couple tonight. Subdued 1st Sergeants 157th Infantry Brigade (Sep) USAR Pennsylvania. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted March 12, 2022 Author Share #25 Posted March 12, 2022 And Pfc E-3 Subdued, the South Korea based 38th Artillery Brigade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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