doyler Posted December 27, 2016 Share #26 Posted December 27, 2016 Keystone Thanks for adding that drawing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGrayGhost Posted December 27, 2016 Share #27 Posted December 27, 2016 Looks like that drawing references a few other drawings, one of which is labeled "Musette Bag Details", maybe there is an answer in one of those. Unfortunately, the image is too small to read what the drawings numbers are, do you have a larger version of this drawing? Here is a thought, maybe we are looking at this in the wrong direction. Instead of looking for items to put in the loop, maybe the loop was designed to more securely attach the bag to something else. A rod or pipe run through the loop would allow the flap to open and close fully without compromising access to the contents. Note how the spec drawing shows the loop going up, anything that hangs in the loop would pull it down and put extra stress on the stitching, potentially leading to early failure. This simply doesn't make sense to me. The only way that configuration seems to make sense is that whatever goes through it is pulling up, or the bag itself is pulling down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluehawk Posted December 27, 2016 Share #28 Posted December 27, 2016 Here is the 1920 dated drawing with, as jprostak said, the unhelpful "loop" as the only description. Tim Bingo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Posted December 27, 2016 Share #29 Posted December 27, 2016 There is some good stuff going on in this forum....the IFAK questions in an earlier thread and this thread about the musette bags. Very interesting....keep it going. Ronnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navybean Posted December 27, 2016 Share #30 Posted December 27, 2016 Looks like that drawing references a few other drawings, one of which is labeled "Musette Bag Details", maybe there is an answer in one of those. Unfortunately, the image is too small to read what the drawings numbers are, do you have a larger version of this drawing? Here is a thought, maybe we are looking at this in the wrong direction. Instead of looking for items to put in the loop, maybe the loop was designed to more securely attach the bag to something else. A rod or pipe run through the loop would allow the flap to open and close fully without compromising access to the contents. Note how the spec drawing shows the loop going up, anything that hangs in the loop would pull it down and put extra stress on the stitching, potentially leading to early failure. This simply doesn't make sense to me. The only way that configuration seems to make sense is that whatever goes through it is pulling up, or the bag itself is pulling down. Interesting idea. I will say that it seems all most like using the shoulder straps would just about acomplish same thing though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jprostak Posted December 27, 2016 Share #31 Posted December 27, 2016 The Musette Bag details sheet for the M36 Bag also call it a "Loop". The detail sheet just has some of the individual pieces in better detail for manufacture. I would like to add that according to the Officers Guides for WWII state that the tent and poles go in the bedding roll. So the Loop is not for tent poles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluehawk Posted December 27, 2016 Share #32 Posted December 27, 2016 Hmmmm... what other piece of gear would be cylindrical in that dimension and about the correct length? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
37thguy Posted December 28, 2016 Share #33 Posted December 28, 2016 A bar of SOAP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinb Posted December 28, 2016 Author Share #34 Posted December 28, 2016 Hmmmm... what other piece of gear would be cylindrical in that dimension and about the correct length? A flashlight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldabewla Posted December 28, 2016 Share #35 Posted December 28, 2016 Every musette bag was issued with the carrying strap the loop is were the carrying strap is stored when used with the suspenders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WW2JAKE Posted December 28, 2016 Share #36 Posted December 28, 2016 Every musette bag was issued with the carrying strap the loop is were the carrying strap is stored when used with the suspenders? as I mentioned before, this always was just the most logical reason for the loop. at least in my eyes... if it is just labeled "Loop" in all the drawings and so forth then maybe that is simply all it was for? maybe they just threw the loop in so that they would have a secure way to keep the straps with the bag until they were issued Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluehawk Posted December 28, 2016 Share #37 Posted December 28, 2016 Every musette bag was issued with the carrying strap the loop is were the carrying strap is stored when used with the suspenders? That, makes the most sense, maybe probably. robinb tried a TL-122 flashlight, which is what popped into my mind too - but, the fit was very tight although it did manage to hang there. The "Uncle Sam Mystery Loop" intended most of all, as bheskett said, to annoy collectors a century later! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinb Posted December 28, 2016 Author Share #38 Posted December 28, 2016 Every musette bag was issued with the carrying strap the loop is were the carrying strap is stored when used with the suspenders? Refer back to post #10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldabewla Posted December 28, 2016 Share #39 Posted December 28, 2016 I can see when they were new and first issued from the crate if the strap was present and hooked on to the bag it is very difficult to try to store them in a pile with the strap hooked to the bag? One other thing, I've own many bags from mint to heavy combat worn and the loop inside never looks worn to the state of becoming frayed so it tells us it was not used much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
37thguy Posted December 28, 2016 Share #40 Posted December 28, 2016 Seems to me the sling easily could've been secured inside the bag, somewhere, without having to use precious wartime material. The loop needed to have a real purpose in order to have been sewn in there in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stealthytyler Posted December 28, 2016 Share #41 Posted December 28, 2016 There has got to be a living wwii vet that holds the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldabewla Posted December 28, 2016 Share #42 Posted December 28, 2016 I tried it and the results Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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37thguy Posted December 28, 2016 Share #45 Posted December 28, 2016 Does anyone have FM 21-15, Par. 61, AR 600-40? Officers guide suggests info there. Wonder if anyone at AT The Front might help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
37thguy Posted December 28, 2016 Share #46 Posted December 28, 2016 Just found this: http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/1586-musette-bags-m1921-m1936/page-2 Also I seem to recall that it was actually for Toilet Paper. All kidding aside, I really do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldabewla Posted December 28, 2016 Share #47 Posted December 28, 2016 Here is some WWII issued toilet paper in the waterproof envelope and that won't fit other than the small roll from the K Rations and I don't think that's what it's for either. Another thought is for a rolled up map but don't like that either even if there was no map case issued to the GI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluehawk Posted December 28, 2016 Share #48 Posted December 28, 2016 ...The loop needed to have a real purpose in order to have been sewn in there in the first place. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robinb Posted December 28, 2016 Author Share #49 Posted December 28, 2016 Post number 10! You guys are getting off track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutiger83 Posted December 28, 2016 Share #50 Posted December 28, 2016 I am not sure how the loop was used but it seems inconvenient for a flashlight. I would think the flashlight would be on the belt where it could easily be reached if needed. ...Kat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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