Cap Camouflage Pattern I Posted August 6, 2017 #53 Posted August 6, 2017 What the ____? Looks like somebody with no regard for history has totally ruined it to try and raise the price. Ouch, that one hurts.
pararaftanr2 Posted August 6, 2017 #54 Posted August 6, 2017 Isn't that the original poster's website, where robinb found the photos and it is currently listed for sale? WT_, indeed?!?!
Cap Camouflage Pattern I Posted August 6, 2017 #55 Posted August 6, 2017 http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/178135-wwii-dropzone/ Yes it is. Anything you're not telling us Jkash?
WWII_GI Posted August 6, 2017 #56 Posted August 6, 2017 Yup, looks like the exact same helmet... this is sad.
Cap Camouflage Pattern I Posted August 6, 2017 #57 Posted August 6, 2017 This has got to be the best helmet ever ruined.
pelseth Posted August 6, 2017 #58 Posted August 6, 2017 Unfortunately, jkash23686 may be unable to respond right now as he is in Africa for two weeks. I will be following this thread closely
AnDuc49 Posted August 6, 2017 #59 Posted August 6, 2017 Not to mention the chinstraps look like they may have been replaced? It may just be the lighting, the thickness and "fuzziness" makes it look like repo chinstraps that have been aged
pararaftanr2 Posted August 6, 2017 #60 Posted August 6, 2017 Looks like it was on ebay earlier this month too: http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-CAMO-PAINTED-M2-D-LOOP-AIRBORNE-HELMET-W-INLAND-PARATROOPER-LINER-/253063508903?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=QomMQq7cf9RIA%252FoLl5h9WfTtj94%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
AnDuc49 Posted August 6, 2017 #61 Posted August 6, 2017 Looks like it was on ebay earlier this month too: http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-CAMO-PAINTED-M2-D-LOOP-AIRBORNE-HELMET-W-INLAND-PARATROOPER-LINER-/253063508903?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=QomMQq7cf9RIA%252FoLl5h9WfTtj94%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc Looks like he took down the listing after the thread got bumped recently
king802 Posted August 6, 2017 #62 Posted August 6, 2017 The Westinghouse liner was replaced with an Inland for the eBay auction. Rich
Burning Hazard Posted August 6, 2017 #63 Posted August 6, 2017 What the?!?! Someone please tell me this isn't happening, not from a reputable forum member like jkash. Pat
Ronny67 Posted August 6, 2017 #64 Posted August 6, 2017 What the?!?! Someone please tell me this isn't happening, not from a reputable forum member like jkash. Pat He is NOT reputable any more. Too bad he can't tell us himself, since they don't have any internet in Africa.
Bugme Posted August 6, 2017 #65 Posted August 6, 2017 If he is in Africa, I highly doubt he is spending time on the Internet even when available. So, until Jamie can answer for himself, it is unfair to start ripping him apart here. I have got a message into him and I am locking this thread for Admin review. We will also reopen this thread so as to allow Jamie to answer. I will add this, it is amazing how quickly you all piled on a guy who has never had an issue before but, before he can answer, the bloodletting begins. I hope no one ever calls any of you into question.
tarbridge Posted August 7, 2017 #66 Posted August 7, 2017 This thread has been re-opened as long as the conversation keeps a civil tone.Please have patience until a possible response is made.We will moderate this thread heavily.
ArchangelDM Posted August 7, 2017 #69 Posted August 7, 2017 Is he getting out of collecting ? I believe so, but I find it hard that he would do something like this. There has to be some explanation, I've bought helmets from him and I don't believe it to be suspect.
Pete-o MSU Posted August 7, 2017 #70 Posted August 7, 2017 To start just let me say I do not collect helmets. This is probably one of the reasons why. Just so I understand the chain of custody here...jkash bought the helmet from the museum in Gettysburg and the helmet was not painted....now he is selling it and it is painted...I'm not sure what else is really needed to determine what happened here...was the yellow underneath a newer layer of green paint? Doesn't seem like any previous owner mentioned it? Why switch the liner on an original helmet in the eBay auction. I don't want to sound like I'm piling on and the seller has the right to explain his actions if I am missing something here. Whoever added the paint to the helmet should be banned from this forum if they are a member. We don't need people like this in our hobby, and we need to be vigilant in keeping our hobby clean. It's disgusting to see a piece of history treated like this especially when a relative of the veteran has posted earlier in this very thread. Pete
Patchcollector Posted August 7, 2017 #71 Posted August 7, 2017 I don't collect helmets but it is difficult for me to believe that something this historically important would be deliberately altered in this way.We must assume that there is a logical explanation until all parties have been heard from. I'm looking forward to hearing the "other side of the story". Until then,I have this question.If this does turn out to be the OP helmet,could the camo paint be removed and the helmet restored to it's original finish?
Bill47 Posted August 7, 2017 #72 Posted August 7, 2017 Jamie has been a member in good standing here for a long time and he enjoys a good reputation. Conjecture about this helmet is pointless until we hear from him. Let us wait until he is in a position to comment. Bill
David D Posted August 7, 2017 #73 Posted August 7, 2017 To start just let me say I do not collect helmets. This is probably one of the reasons why. Just so I understand the chain of custody here...jkash bought the helmet from the museum in Gettysburg and the helmet was not painted....now he is selling it and it is painted...I'm not sure what else is really needed to determine what happened here...was the yellow underneath a newer layer of green paint? Doesn't seem like any previous owner mentioned it? Why switch the liner on an original helmet in the eBay auction. I don't want to sound like I'm piling on and the seller has the right to explain his actions if I am missing something here. Whoever added the paint to the helmet should be banned from this forum if they are a member. We don't need people like this in our hobby, and we need to be vigilant in keeping our hobby clean. It's disgusting to see a piece of history treated like this especially when a relative of the veteran has posted earlier in this very thread. Pete Well Jamie is a member so....
URIK Posted August 7, 2017 #74 Posted August 7, 2017 This is not the first time Jamie has taken an original condition helmet and modified the finish then resold it. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/290129-161st-field-artillery-camo-fb-helmet/ I find most of the helmets listed on his web site and ebay listings questionable. It would appear to me that he takes original condition helmets and adds camouflage or markings to them and then lists them up for sale with a premium price tag. His listings are, for the most part, uniform in how they are written. They state the "helmet itself" is original and it has "markings/camouflage typical with said unit", but none ever outright say the markings are authentic/original to the shell. Furthermore, here is an example of some high dollar helmets recently sold by Jamie. This first one was sold to the Gettysburg Museum of History.
David D Posted August 7, 2017 #75 Posted August 7, 2017 If he did in fact get this from the Gettysburg museum, I would believe that Sheltons helmet was a fake to begin with, as the museum has its fair share of fakes in the collection. Wouldn't be the first questionable helmet owned and then sold by Jamie either.
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