Medal Collectors and Militaria Collectors...we have a fight on our hands.

[Captainofthe7th]

 

 

But the scenario described makes no sense. The family would be illegally selling the medals. The buyer would be illegally buying the medals. If the family wanted the medals back, the buyer could just show that the family sold them illegally. If the buyer didn't want to throw the family under the bus with them then they would and should be out their money. They bought it illegally.

 

While not in the text of the bill, there are sources that say the veteran or family are allowed to sell the medals if they please - which makes no sense if it is illegal for anyone to buy, though I'm can envision some organizations that would be allowed to purchase legally. Basically the idea is to cut collectors out since they're the only others who actively buy and sell.

 

Rob

[tarbridge]

Once again,a ill-conceived and poorly written bill. You can not arbitrarily enforce a bill...PHR can't legally buy-trade-sell a Purple Heart no more than a collector, dealer , recipient or recipient's family.

[cutiger83]

 

While not in the text of the bill, there are sources that say the veteran or family are allowed to sell the medals if they please - which makes no sense if it is illegal for anyone to buy, though I'm can envision some organizations that would be allowed to purchase legally. Basically the idea is to cut collectors out since they're the only others who actively buy and sell.

 

Rob

 

If the family did legally sell it to the buyer, then the buyer would have a record of the purchase. This would mean that the family could NOT ask for the medals back because they were legally sold by the family.

 

If the family illegally sold it to the buyer then asked for the medals returned, they would have to show how they know the buyer has the medal. The buyer would have proof they bought the medal.

 

The scenario discussed makes no sense.

[Captainofthe7th]

 

If the family did legally sell it to the buyer, then the buyer would have a record of the purchase. This would mean that the family could NOT ask for the medals back because they were legally sold by the family.

 

If the family illegally sold it to the buyer then asked for the medals returned, they would have to show how they know the buyer has the medal. The buyer would have proof they bought the medal.

 

The scenario discussed makes no sense.

 

And it would seem that all buyers would be doing so illegally anyway. The family can legally sell, the buyer can not legally buy.

 

You're correct, it does not make any sense and that is another reason why this bill is ludicrous.

 

Rob

[cutiger83]

 

And it would seem that all buyers would be doing so illegally anyway. The family can legally sell, the buyer can not legally buy.

 

You're correct, it does not make any sense and that is another reason why this bill is ludicrous.

 

Rob

 

 

The scenario I said that does not make sense is the scenario mentioned where the family could sell the medal then say they want it back. That is the scenario that makes no sense.

 

If the family is allowed to sell the medal then a buyer can legally buy from the family.

 

A non-family member cannot legally sell the medal and the buyer cannot legally buy the medal.

 

I have not seen anything that mentions the family can sell the medals. I have only seen that mentioned on here but not in the official publication of the proposed law.

[tarbridge]

This will prohibit the buying-selling- trading of Purple Hearts...no exceptions.

[Gary B]

 

 

Yep...we've had a good bit of discussion about that off-forum. It seems that many of his medals being "given back" appear to be replacements. For certain, the Purple Heart he (Fike) personally awarded to the guy who died from the flu in WW1 is most definitely a replacement (and an illegal, absolutely unearned, award, incidentally).

 

Dave

 

If you read though some of his narratives on the PHs that have been presented as part of the WWI Anniversary Tribute Project, the WWI accolades are accompanied with replacement PHs. So he adds a replacement PH to accompany the certificate which the organization is returning.

 

Gary B

[TLeo]

The fact that he has awarded an unearned, illegal award should be brought to the attention of the representatives in Congress and they also should be made aware of his practice of giving modern replacement medals in lieu of the original awards. He is deliberately misleading the public and families into thinking he is finding and returning original issue medals.

[tarbridge]

 

If you read though some of his narratives on the PHs that have been presented as part of the WWI Anniversary Tribute Project, the WWI accolades are accompanied with replacement PHs. So he adds a replacement PH to accompany the certificate which the organization is returning.

 

Gary B

With an approximate cost of $1500 for each presentation.

[doinworkinvans]

I received email back from my rep and she said she would certainly look in to it

[emaier3]

The PHR Facebook page has a recent posting about an un-named Korean War Purple Heart that was recently found. In reading the article, it implies that they will use the medal as a filler to "award" to someone else since this one cannot be traced. If this is correct, they are even more unethical than we previously believed.

[TomPearson]

I did send a letter off, after reading the story in the new military trader I am not optimistic and disapointed this is happing to us collectors.

 

Tom