gitana Posted December 6, 2016 Share #1 Posted December 6, 2016 I thought I'd share this one. I know that the turnbuckle covers are earlier, but apparently they're both dated 1910. This one is a square-flap eagle snap cover with the faint, but clear, stamp of 'R.I.A. 1910'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gitana Posted December 6, 2016 Author Share #2 Posted December 6, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gitana Posted December 6, 2016 Author Share #3 Posted December 6, 2016 Here's a modified photo of the date stamp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrenchRat Posted December 6, 2016 Share #4 Posted December 6, 2016 gitana, That is the first actual example I have ever seen. Awesome...and thanks for posting it... TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gitana Posted December 6, 2016 Author Share #5 Posted December 6, 2016 I thought this example was dated 1911-1912, but the date stamp seems to put it earlier. It would be interesting to find out exactly when the turnbuckle version was replaced, and why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pep Posted December 6, 2016 Share #6 Posted December 6, 2016 I thought this example was dated 1911-1912, but the date stamp seems to put it earlier. It would be interesting to find out exactly when the turnbuckle version was replaced, and why. gitana, "In an October 1910 letter from R.I.A. to the War Dept., permission was requested to replace the turn buckle fastener with the “Carr Fastener”. The Eagle Snap fasteners started to be used in production in late 1910, anticipating the approval from the Ordinance department. In a letter dated 12 April 1911 from the commanding officer of the ordinance department, the discontinued use of the turnbuckle fastener and its replacement with the Carr Eagle snap was approved." Pep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gitana Posted December 7, 2016 Author Share #7 Posted December 7, 2016 Thanks Pep. Is that information you've gathered, or from the 'guru' of Canteens? Either way, it answers the question. I hadn't realized that these were specifically dated. I keep waiting for the definitive book on the 1910 Canteen, Cup, and Cover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pep Posted December 7, 2016 Share #8 Posted December 7, 2016 Thanks Pep. Is that information you've gathered, or from the 'guru' of Canteens? Either way, it answers the question. I hadn't realized that these were specifically dated. I keep waiting for the definitive book on the 1910 Canteen, Cup, and Cover Years of research with help from others on this forum. Many papers and drawings from the national archives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doyler Posted December 7, 2016 Share #9 Posted December 7, 2016 Thats a geat set Thanks for posting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gitana Posted December 7, 2016 Author Share #10 Posted December 7, 2016 gitana, That is the first actual example I have ever seen. Awesome...and thanks for posting it... TR Thats a geat set Thanks for posting Thanks a lot for the comments, eventually I'll have a nice spot for it to display. Give it another decade and maybe I'll find a turnbuckle to go with it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Flage Guy Posted December 7, 2016 Share #11 Posted December 7, 2016 That's fantastic!! Thanks for showing this baby!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artu44 Posted December 8, 2016 Share #12 Posted December 8, 2016 The first canteen cover reinforced with leater appeared on posts of that french guy named Smith, identical to this one except for flaps closure. Too bad images was deleted but you can see it as Smith avatar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keystone Posted January 11, 2017 Share #13 Posted January 11, 2017 I was lucky enough to add a "turnbuckle" cover to my collection. Now I have three 1910 dated canteens! Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyCanteen Posted January 11, 2017 Share #14 Posted January 11, 2017 Excellent specimens! There is nothing quite like the pre-WWI web equipment. RC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gitana Posted January 11, 2017 Author Share #15 Posted January 11, 2017 Very nice, Keystone. It's items like that that keep me going - I hope to add a turnbuckle to my collection one day too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantomfixer Posted January 11, 2017 Share #16 Posted January 11, 2017 How long was the turn buckle style in use? Production years? nice canteen sets.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pep Posted January 12, 2017 Share #17 Posted January 12, 2017 How long was the turn buckle style in use? Production years? nice canteen sets.... IMHO much less than one year. That includes both patterns of the production turnbuckle cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battling Bastard Posted April 5, 2017 Share #18 Posted April 5, 2017 Nice collection! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gitana Posted January 3, 2023 Author Share #19 Posted January 3, 2023 I was wondering whether the dates on these early arsenal canteen covers are the year of manufacture, or the fiscal year. Pep, you mentioned "The Eagle Snap fasteners started to be used in production in late 1910, anticipating the approval from the Ordinance department." Do you have a source for that, or is that based on observation of canteen cover dates? I ask because if the '1910' printed in the original post was fiscal year, it could have been made in early 1911 and might then better correspond to the official approval of April 1911. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pep Posted January 4, 2023 Share #20 Posted January 4, 2023 23 hours ago, gitana said: I was wondering whether the dates on these early arsenal canteen covers are the year of manufacture, or the fiscal year. Pep, you mentioned "The Eagle Snap fasteners started to be used in production in late 1910, anticipating the approval from the Ordinance department." Do you have a source for that, or is that based on observation of canteen cover dates? I ask because if the '1910' printed in the original post was fiscal year, it could have been made in early 1911 and might then better correspond to the official approval of April 1911. My source are copies of the actual Arsenal orders sent back an forth from command to the Arsenal. I had asked the same question about fiscal year/actual year before also. If I remember correctly a member told me that the year stamp on equipment was the actual production date and not the fiscal date. I could not find that post though and I can not remember which member answered that question for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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