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Hi Folks:

 

I recently bought some items from a local estate sale some silk camo ascots with one having a unit patch "DUTY", some white and orange silk ascots with a small unit patch...appears signal along with color. I also picked up three long sleeve US Army enlisted shits with Korean war small SFC patches on arms and two (2) with Specialist level (?) patches on the sleeve. I also picked up two helmet liner inner bands Vietnam period??? and a Pacific region made ribbon bar set.

 

I'd appreciate any help in ID'ing the unit patches and the period of the helmet liner bands.... Thanks,

 

 

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I found where the US Army specialist is a SPEC5 equal to SSG but SSG is "hard stripes" vs. specialist...I recall.,,,the US Army terms, Pls correct if I'm wrong. Tks,

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Ascots were worn with any uniform at the direction of the commander, but most often seen from the 1950s to mid-1970s or even a little later. We wore them with our OD green fatigues when I was with the 9th Infantry Division at Ft Lewis from 1973-1975. We wore them with khakis for change of command ceremonies, etc. as late as 1978 when I was with the 3rd Armored Division in Germany.

 

Without trying to make a hard & fast rule, the only ones I saw personally that had unit crests, etc. on them were for honor guards, bands, etc.

 

The DUI with the motto "Duty" is for the 21st Infantry.

 

The signal DUI on the scarves is for the 304th Signal Battalion.

 

The Spec. 5 rank had a paygrade the same as a Sergeant, that of E-5, but as mentioned had to Leadership role (at least in theory). A Spec. 6 would have the same paygrade as a Staff Sergeant. The rank shown is for a Spec. 6.

 

All in all, nice finds!

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Thank you to all....I really appreciate the fast replies......the US Army Specialist ranks for me a "tough" since I'm retired from the USAF but I've worked as a civilian DOD employee since 1980 around the US Army. Again......THANK YOU!!!!!

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As per Steve B

 

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The 304th Signal Battalion.

 

Your scarf in this orange color for Signal Corps with the DI on it, I suspect are South Korean made, possibly from the 60s. This unit was and still is in South Korea since the Korean War.

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Can we see photos of the shirt that the Specialist ranks are on? My guess it's a 50s long sleeve type, f so then, the correct title for this rak will be Specialist First Class.

 

This from TIOH (The Institute Of Heraldry).

 

 

War Department Circular No. 670-3, dated 12 October 1955, stated the effective date for the above change was 1 July 1955. New descriptions contained in AR 670-5, dated 20 September 1956, changed the color of the background to Army Green (the color of the new uniform) or Army Blue with the chevron, arc, lozenge and eagle to be gold. There were no changes in the design for NCO and privates; however, the design for specialists was an embroidered eagle device on a 2 inch wide background arched at the top and shaped like an inverted chevron on the bottom with embroidered arcs as follows:

Master Specialist (E7). Three arcs above the eagle device.

Specialist First Class (E-6). Two arcs above the eagle device.

Specialist Second Class (E-5). One arc above the eagle device.

Specialist Third Class (E-4). Eagle device only.

 

It was in 1958 the the Spec ranks changed, along with the adoption of the large size types now.

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There's a good possibility this Para Camo, or Frog Camo if one likes, scarf with the 21st Infantry Pocket Patch sewn to it, was worn in West Germany by this unit,1st and 2nd Battalions of the 21st Infantry was in the 24th Div in Germany then.

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Hi: Here are the three US Army Khaki Long Sleeve shirts.......I just noticed the 2nd award of Unit Citation on the arm....on the US Army Service Forces Command shirt. Thank you...

 

I bought the Spec-6 shirt because I liked the patches and the stitching...."X" stitching to me....not sure what they call it...to me...it's cool....style.

 

Don't know why the pictures aren't up-right...I apologize.

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Hi: Here are the three US Army Khaki Long Sleeve shirts.......I just noticed the 2nd award of Unit Citation on the arm....on the US Army Service Forces Command shirt. Thank you...

 

I bought the Spec-6 shirt because I liked the patches and the stitching...."X" stitching to me....not sure what they call it...to me...it's cool....style.

 

Don't know why the pictures aren't up-right...I apologize.

Nice ones, 50s as mentioned, the one with the little stripes of Blue and Gold will date from the late 40s to mid 1952 say.

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Hi: I elected to go back and see what's left and I bought two (2) inner ring visor cap rubber bands, two (2) field caps...1960's Vietnam period and another field cap dated July 1957 and I also bought another Khaki long sleeve shirt with SFC stripes (Green & Blue) w/24th ID patch and three (3)"fatigue" utility sage green shirts:

 

One w/SFC stripes (Yellow & Green) & 5th Army patches, Long Sleeve

One w/SFC stripes (Yellow & Green) w/9th Support Command patches and "cut" short sleeves

One long sleeve w/SFC (Yellow & Green) stripes and 8th Army w/8th Army patch w/"SUPPORT COMMAND" tab.

 

The vet's name was MSGT Dorman Wayne Crider (1924-1977) WWII & Vietnam

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HI Folks...I also picked up another Long Sleeve Khaki shirt w/SFC (Blue & Yellow) Stripes and Japanese Logistics Command patch and six (6) pair of OG-107 trousers...and in one pair of trousers at the bottom...I found holes for draw strings. Is this normal or a personal "modification"? See attached pictures...of caps one cap is 1952 or 57 along with a Vietnam "era" polyester cap and two rubber enforcements for visor cap..

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Pictures of Khaki long sleeve shirt w.24th ID & Blue & Green SFC Stripes and OG-107 "Short" (Cut) sleeve shirt w/SFC and 9th Logistics Command patch. Another long sleeve khaki shirt w/SFC (Blue & yellow) stripes and Japanese Logistics Command patch. Picture of six (6) pair of OG-107/sage green trousers......one (1) is brand new (top pair)...never worn 1966 contract,

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Pictures of labels in trousers along with picture of holes for draw-string or trouser "blousing"....

 

These are the last pictures.....of my week-end buys.

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