Chickenpuffball Posted October 30, 2016 Share #1 Posted October 30, 2016 My great grandfather served during WW2 as a mechanic. I found a picture of him where it seems that he's wearing a USAAF patch, which makes no sense because he was a land soldier. Do you know what this patch could be/signify? His Story (I recommend reading through, it's pretty interesting): http://www.think-israel.org/kramer.margalit.html Photos: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyboy53 Posted October 30, 2016 Share #2 Posted October 30, 2016 How about looking at his discharge? In other words, what type of mechanic? AAF units had Motor Pools, too. Of course, he could have volunteered for ground duty in theater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenpuffball Posted October 30, 2016 Author Share #3 Posted October 30, 2016 How about looking at his discharge? Well, it's probably in Israel or lost. He wrote down most of what he did in the war and I couldn't find anything to do with the airforce. I'm still researching though, something might come up in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenpuffball Posted October 30, 2016 Author Share #4 Posted October 30, 2016 How about looking at his discharge? In other words, what type of mechanic? AAF units had Motor Pools, too. Oh! Sorry it didn't update, I'll have to look into what type of mechanic he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwb123 Posted October 30, 2016 Share #5 Posted October 30, 2016 Your great grandfather may very well have started off assigned to the Army Air Force. Look back at his story: "In October 1943, the company was sent to upstate NY in preparation to being sent overseas. The company soon shipped out on the S.S. Aquitania to Scotland, joining 20,000 others on the ship. After an arduous journey which included hours of watch duty clinging to an icy mast, Yassi landed in Scotland where their destination was an RAF air base in East Anglia. On the base Yassi's company set up an automotive repair garage, a small arms repair section, and space for the bomb supply vehicles, which they were responsible for." That very much sounds like he was assigned to the motor pool at an airbase, as mentioned above. Further in his story: "After the Normandy landing, Yassi and his company had little to do until they moved on towards Chartres. His new assignment was mechanic/interpreter with a crew searching for downed aircraft and then removing the ordnance, a job which kept him busy for many weeks." Again, this would have been a function of the Army Air Force, not a normal infantry unit. As far as his assignment after being discharged from the field hospital, that could have been a completely different unit. Manpower shortages were filled in theater as needed, and soldiers did not always return to their original unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenpuffball Posted October 30, 2016 Author Share #6 Posted October 30, 2016 Your great grandfather may very well have started off assigned to the Army Air Force. Look back at his story: "In October 1943, the company was sent to upstate NY in preparation to being sent overseas. The company soon shipped out on the S.S. Aquitania to Scotland, joining 20,000 others on the ship. After an arduous journey which included hours of watch duty clinging to an icy mast, Yassi landed in Scotland where their destination was an RAF air base in East Anglia. On the base Yassi's company set up an automotive repair garage, a small arms repair section, and space for the bomb supply vehicles, which they were responsible for." That very much sounds like he was assigned to the motor pool at an airbase, as mentioned above. Further in his story: "After the Normandy landing, Yassi and his company had little to do until they moved on towards Chartres. His new assignment was mechanic/interpreter with a crew searching for downed aircraft and then removing the ordnance, a job which kept him busy for many weeks." Again, this would have been a function of the Army Air Force, not a normal infantry unit. As far as his assignment after being discharged from the field hospital, that could have been a completely different unit. Manpower shortages were filled in theater as needed, and soldiers did not always return to their original unit. That definitely could be possible, thanks for citation! The picture was taken in Chicago, so he would've started or ended the war in the air force. Probably the prior because, as the story states, he lost his unit after a grenade went off next to him. Thanks again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefighter Posted October 31, 2016 Share #7 Posted October 31, 2016 Interesting article. It does sound like he may have been part of or attached to an AAF Bomb Gp in England. He talks about taking care of the bomb carriers, probably the small tractors. Then he mentions how he was in France looking for downed aircraft and removing ordnance. According to this site, http://www.ww2troopships.com/crossings/1944.htm , There was only one unit that sailed on the SS Aquitania. The 474th AAA did land on D-Day, http://www.skylighters.org/aaapatches/474.html . 44-01-29 New York NY Aquitania 474th Anti-Aircraft Artillery Battalion; some Red Cross personnel and officers on upper decks sailed alone near Glasgow, Scotland 44-02-06 J. M. Clark (toS. Lawson) memory and discharge paper (more) She did sail in 1943 from NY on 29NOV43, but there were Navy: Force "O" Underwater Demolition Team #5 or #25; Duha 20; AATSB; Navy No. 417. She did land in Scotland. http://www.skylighters.org/troopships/1943.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenpuffball Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share #8 Posted October 31, 2016 Interesting article. It does sound like he may have been part of or attached to an AAF Bomb Gp in England. He talks about taking care of the bomb carriers, probably the small tractors. Then he mentions how he was in France looking for downed aircraft and removing ordnance. According to this site, http://www.ww2troopships.com/crossings/1944.htm , There was only one unit that sailed on the SS Aquitania. The 474th AAA did land on D-Day, http://www.skylighters.org/aaapatches/474.html . 44-01-29 New YorkNY Aquitania 474th Anti-Aircraft Artillery Battalion; some Red Cross personnel and officers on upper decks sailed alone near Glasgow,Scotland 44-02-06 J. M. Clark (toS. Lawson) memory and discharge paper (more) She did sail in 1943 from NY on 29NOV43, but there were Navy: Force "O" Underwater Demolition Team #5 or #25; Duha 20; AATSB; Navy No. 417. She did land in Scotland. http://www.skylighters.org/troopships/1943.html That would explain it, there's an extended version of the story so I'll check if he mentions that ship when I get my hands on it. I'll also check if he was in the 474th. Thanks for your research! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwb123 Posted October 31, 2016 Share #9 Posted October 31, 2016 One more note: I have read elsewhere that as the strategic bombing campaign drew down, AAF personnel were assigned to other duties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tredhed2 Posted October 31, 2016 Share #10 Posted October 31, 2016 When originally constituted, the Army Air Corps (AAC) was a branch of the Army just like the Signal Corps, Transportation Corps, Engineer Corps, etc. Then it was redesignated Army Air Force (AAF), the missions did not change. Not every one IN the AAF flew. For every one who actually flew in a aircraft there were something like 12 ground personnel supporting him (or her, in the case of the WASPs). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefighter Posted October 31, 2016 Share #11 Posted October 31, 2016 That would explain it, there's an extended version of the story so I'll check if he mentions that ship when I get my hands on it. I'll also check if he was in the 474th. Thanks for your research! You're welcome. I only researched that transport ship as he mentioned it in the article. What an interesting life he had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluehawk Posted October 31, 2016 Share #12 Posted October 31, 2016 A question: The nice stitching done on that SSI patch... was there any particular place or time period when that was being done more than another? I love seeing that kind of stitching, and always wondered if it was mainly overseas, or done domestically, or what... Does the stitching tell us anything additional? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenpuffball Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share #13 Posted October 31, 2016 One more note: I have read elsewhere that as the strategic bombing campaign drew down, AAF personnel were assigned to other duties. Would they be put into positions such as infantry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenpuffball Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share #14 Posted October 31, 2016 When originally constituted, the Army Air Corps (AAC) was a branch of the Army just like the Signal Corps, Transportation Corps, Engineer Corps, etc. Then it was redesignated Army Air Force (AAF), the missions did not change. Not every one IN the AAF flew. For every one who actually flew in a aircraft there were something like 12 ground personnel supporting him (or her, in the case of the WASPs). That could be the case, do you know if they were active on D-Day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenpuffball Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share #15 Posted October 31, 2016 A question: The nice stitching done on that SSI patch... was there any particular place or time period when that was being done more than another? I love seeing that kind of stitching, and always wondered if it was mainly overseas, or done domestically, or what... Does the stitching tell us anything additional? That picture was taken in Chicago, however, I don't know if this was before the war or after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenpuffball Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share #16 Posted October 31, 2016 You're welcome. I only researched that transport ship as he mentioned it in the article. What an interesting life he had. Yeah, and it looks like the facts check out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwb123 Posted October 31, 2016 Share #17 Posted October 31, 2016 Would they be put into positions such as infantry? During the Battle of the Bulge, all sorts of personnel were sent to reinforce infantry units that had taken losses at the front lines. However, look at the narrative again where it says " An officer in the Third Army Tank Corps heard about Yassi's ordnance experience and was happy to take him on board. Yassi began repairing jammed machine guns and soon after moved out with the fuel and support vehicles of the battalion." This does not sound like an infantry assignment, but rather a maintenance position. He may have been supporting infantry or armor units, but this does not sound like front line infantry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenpuffball Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share #18 Posted October 31, 2016 During the Battle of the Bulge, all sorts of personnel were sent to reinforce infantry units that had taken losses at the front lines. However, look at the narrative again where it says " An officer in the Third Army Tank Corps heard about Yassi's ordnance experience and was happy to take him on board. Yassi began repairing jammed machine guns and soon after moved out with the fuel and support vehicles of the battalion." This does not sound like an infantry assignment, but rather a maintenance position. He may have been supporting infantry or armor units, but this does not sound like front line infantry. Yeah, that doesn't sound like infantry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenpuffball Posted November 1, 2016 Author Share #19 Posted November 1, 2016 During the Battle of the Bulge, all sorts of personnel were sent to reinforce infantry units that had taken losses at the front lines. However, look at the narrative again where it says " An officer in the Third Army Tank Corps heard about Yassi's ordnance experience and was happy to take him on board. Yassi began repairing jammed machine guns and soon after moved out with the fuel and support vehicles of the battalion." This does not sound like an infantry assignment, but rather a maintenance position. He may have been supporting infantry or armor units, but this does not sound like front line infantry. Does this mean that he could've joined a tank division during D-Day? Thanks for your response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwb123 Posted November 2, 2016 Share #20 Posted November 2, 2016 Possibly. You really need to start tracking down some paper work on him. You will get better answers if you can find record of the units to which he was assigned. You might want to get a copy of the book "Finding Your Father's War", https://www.amazon.com/Finding-Your-Fathers-War-Understanding/dp/1612001998/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1478051275&sr=1-1&keywords=finding+your+father%27s+war There are also some tips on research on various threads on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenpuffball Posted November 2, 2016 Author Share #21 Posted November 2, 2016 Possibly. You really need to start tracking down some paper work on him. You will get better answers if you can find record of the units to which he was assigned. You might want to get a copy of the book "Finding Your Father's War", https://www.amazon.com/Finding-Your-Fathers-War-Understanding/dp/1612001998/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1478051275&sr=1-1&keywords=finding+your+father%27s+war There are also some tips on research on various threads on here. I just got his full story yesterday. I have a lot of reading to do! Thanks for the source, I'll definitely check it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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