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hello

intresting helmet for study just sold on ebay

with white diamond on rear and regiment stamps inside

31st regiment reactived in january 46 , this helmet used in korea 46 -48 or late during korea war ?

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I don't remember seeing the painted markings before, but there have been at least a couple of these Co. E, 31st infantry marked helmets passing through ebay in the past. I always thought they were really interesting and likely to be WWII or post, but for some reason not Korea. I'll have to see if I have any photos saved.

 

I'd like to know more about them.

 

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I think a handfull of these were found in storage a few years back also.....mike


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Yes, Troy and I both bought some of these at an auction in Michigan. The markings on the rear were actually done with tape, so the one shown here, I am sure is tape residue. It is my opinion after having sold the ones I had, and doing some research that they were post war National Guard markings, but I am not certain.

 

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Still nice even with the rough St. Claire liner with bonus double wire sweat band.


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I am the one who bought that helmet. In my opinion, it looks real. I will look under magnification to see if it's legitimate or not and bring it to my local ww2 museum for added info.

 

I don't think anyone here was debating the legitimacy of the helmet, but rather when the markings were used. Also, if it is out on the internet for the public to buy and view, you can expect that it has been shared on several other forums as well.

 

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I don't think anyone here was debating the legitimacy of the helmet, but rather when the markings were used. Also, if it is out on the internet for the public to buy and view, you can expect that it has been shared on several other forums as well.

 

Steve

I meant that I thought it was original to ww2. I should have been a bit more specific. I would think that if it was used in Korea, the liner would be replaced, or atleast the sweatband, which you see in a lot of those helmets in that era

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I meant that I thought it was original to ww2. I should have been a bit more specific. I would think that if it was used in Korea, the liner would be replaced, or at least the sweatband, which you see in a lot of those helmets in that era

 

Not really, there was a boatload of NOS after WWII which was used extensively through the 50's. Even more so, this WWII surplus was used extensively by Army Reserve and National Guard divisions. So, it isn't too unusual to see a WWII liner set up used with a Korean War era reissued helmet.


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I agree, but I doubt (correct me if I'm wrong) that they would use a Saint Clair liner, due to the fact that only around 1,300,000 were made, BUT it is possible. I've seen hawkley liners used in Korea so it's entirely possible for a st Clair liner to be used


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To the Army, a liner was a liner was a liner. They weren't checking the maker's marks. If a St. Clair made it through WWII, and got turned back in, it went right back into the supply chain.

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I agree, but I doubt (correct me if I'm wrong) that they would use a Saint Clair liner, due to the fact that only around 1,300,000 were made, BUT it is possible. I've seen hawkley liners used in Korea so it's entirely possible for a st Clair liner to be used

 

All of the helmets that we purchased from the auction, had Hood Rubber liners, which are even more scarce. They were all very lightly used, and most had the scarce blue vinyl sweatbands.

 

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To the Army, a liner was a liner was a liner. They weren't checking the maker's marks. If a St. Clair made it through WWII, and got turned back in, it went right back into the supply chain.

I understand. When the helmet gets to me, I will post many pictures to figure this "Korea or ww2" question out


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All of the helmets that we purchased from the auction, had Hood Rubber liners, which are even more scarce. They were all very lightly used, and most had the scarce blue vinyl sweatbands.

 

Steve

I just want to know, but how much did one helmet cost when you bought it? I'm not sure if I overpaid for mine due to the fact that I've never really bought a unit marked helmet with painted or taped helmet insignia on it as well. I'm a little new to the helmet collecting community so it would help me if I buy similar helmets

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Okay, so the helmet just arrived. The insignia is very smooth so it might be tape residue. It shows small stress cracks here and there, and the bottom inch of the helmet is rusty, the rest of the helmet isn't, which means the helmet is a victim of the horrible "helmet stacking" practice. The liner has no soldier identifying features.

 

The real question now is "ww2 or Korea?"

I did some research and the 31st is mostly talked about in Korea, but that's not enough to be sure about anything...

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So some new information has come to light on this helmet. Please tell me if I may be wrong or if I'm missing anything:

This helmet likely wasn't used in ww2, because the 31st Regiment was captured by the Japanese in 1941. It could have been used however, in the 1950 initial landing of Iwon, in Korea and soon after, used in the 31st Regiment’s withdrawal from an overwhelming force of Chinese near the Chosin Reservoir, where they were surrounded. The tactical marking on the back, usually used in amphibious assaults, makes me think it was used in this particular battle in Korea because otherwise, the 31st was not in any landings after this.


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There are a few photos of the 31st from Inchon and I do not see helmet markings - Inchon was, I believe, the only amphibious 'assault' for the 31st Infantry. The landing at Iwon was only a landing, if I'm not mistaken. There was a topic recently questioning the award of arrowhead devices for Inchon and I don't think it's even considered to be an assault officially since the Marines were spearheading and the Army was to mop up. I think that's a bit different than the way it was in WWII.

 

The 2d Battalion never made it to the reservoir and in fact E Company was detached and remained with the Divisional CP at Pukchong during that period in November/December 1950. The Battalion (less E) was supposed to get to the reservoir and by December 1 tried to move but were held up by almost everything imaginable from attacks by the Chinese, blown bridges, weather, and bad communication.

 

Anyway, I guess not much of this has to do with the markings on the helmet. I have seen officer and NCO bars still used in Korea and I am trying to find one other photo of what I think was 7th Infantry Regiment, 3d Division that had some company or battalion markings on the helmet. I will continue to look, but this is a great mystery!

 

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Rob


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Captain, I once had a picture of the follow me stripe used in Vietnam! It was a book cover but I don't remember the name of the book.


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