Pineapple Air Force Pilot Wings Luke Field (Ford Island) 5th Composite Group 1930's

[Salvage Sailor]

Aye, What John said above.....

[hoppylu2]

Thanks for the details.

To summarize, then, the costumer or wardrobe designer, who overrode the Army's technical advisor (who also might not have known), decided to put the HD patch on the khaki shirts in Here to Eternity. Which is wrong.

If I extrapolate correctly, officers wouldn't have worn the HD patch on the mustard wool shirt in 1941 either.

And we can assume that these ebay prong-back pins, made in China and/or Pakistan, don't represent or replicate any Hwn Dept DI that ever existed. And there was no Di for officers to wear on their campaign caps.

Mahalo,

John

 

[kiaiokalewa]

This topic of Hollywood's use of the Hawaiian Department in the movie was thoroughly covered in the link below.

 

The reproduction of the Hawaiian Department patch type "badge" is a far cry from the actual examples made.  The red shield was of transparent red enamel upon a vaulted octagon with superimposed "Lazy H".  They do exist and were likely worn at the infancy of Distinctive Insignia usage and when the rules of heraldry was fluid and still in flux.   

 

A prime example of such is the posting the two 5th Composite Group DIs above by S. Sailor to set the topic back on its rails.  

Of the two the one illustrated on the bottom (period photo of the 1st type) was very large in size, was rescended and replaced by the smaller distinctive above it a short year (1923) later.   (Images of the two insignia are posted below as well for reference).

 

However, the staying power of the sharper, larger and more distinctive Insignia was worn until it was no longer tolerated.  

 

So going back to your question on the Hawaiian Department metal insignia.  Yes, they do exist and were forged by N.S. Meyers.  They were unauthorized, likely worn on campaign hat due to their physical size and the fact they are vaulted but only for a very limited time frame circa. 1923-25.  

 

When I get a chance I'll get some images of these larger sized insignia posted here...

 

A Hui Hou,

 

John

 

 

https://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/25457-hawaiian-department/&do=findComment&comment=183270

 

 

[hoppylu2]

Mahalo nui loa for the link to that old post. I don't think I would have come across that.

All of these posts answer have answered my questions.

Much appreciated, one and all.

Aloha

John

[kiaiokalewa]

Here's the rare bird that I speak of.  Two corrections on my behalf the insignia was made by Gemsco and the Lazy H is not superimposed as I stated earlier.  I hadn't looked at this insignia  years.  

[Salvage Sailor]

On 9/19/2022 at 10:02 AM, hoppylu2 said:

That's interesting about the Hawaiian Dept patch being so widely used.

I'm trying to get a handle on whether/when the pinwheel patch was worn there, if at all, around 1941 and whether a generic AAC DI existed, and if there was such a DI, whether it was worn by officers on shirt or blouse epaulettes.

There's an apparent split in postings around this site, regarding shoulder patches; their use on blouses but not shirts, and whether sewn on or snapped on.

Mahalo plenty.

 

In regard to Interwar HAF units and their DI's and Hawaiian Department SSI, let's go to the contemporary photographs from the

11th Photo Section.  These are all Hawaiian Department units (Hawaiian Air Force) which also wore the 18th Pursuit Group DI and Hawaiian Department SSI (not the Pinwheel).  All part of the Seventy Fifth Service Squadron, Air Corps, Schofield Barracks, T.H. in support of Luke Field (Photos taken at Wheeler Field, 1936)  Note that each section is led by an Air Corps flying Officer

 

75th Service Squadron, Maintenance Section

 

75th Service Squadron, 11th Photo Section

Of note here is the 11th Photo Section attached to the 75th. They were the primary photographic unit for the Hawaiian Department and Division. You'll see them credited on many US Army photos taken in the Department, much of it Aerial Photography, throughout the 1920's and 1930's.

Wheeler Field & Schofield Barracks with the Waianae Mountains in the background

11th Photo Section, Air Corps

 

75th Service Squadron Headquarters

(again, all wearing 18th Pursuit DI's & HD SSI)

 

75th Service Squadron, Engineering Section

 

75th Service Squadron, Supply Section

 

75th Service Squadron, Flight Section and Parachute Department

Note: The detail photo is interesting as it shows either a native American or native Hawaiian and also what may be the oldest private in the Air Service (at right).  Also, it's commanded by pilot 1st LT Offutt who also commands the engineering section above. He may be related to 1st LT Jarvis Offutt (lost in 1918) namesake of Offutt Air Force Base.

 

I'll have to rescan some of these Officer's and their wings (may be an Airship wing above) and repost some of the collar details.

 

18th Pursuit Group

UNGUIBUS ET ROSTRO

 

HAWAIIAN DEPARTMENT

 

[Salvage Sailor]

Another photo from my Pineapple Air Force collection

 

Enlisted Private, Hawaiian Air Force

 

Gerald A. Leen, 4th Recon. Sqdn. Luke Field, Honolulu, T.H.

Note that he is wearing 5th Composite Group DI's

[Wailuna]

Check out Find-a-Grave memorial number 138887182  to see what happened to Private Leen after Luke Field.

[Salvage Sailor]

11 hours ago, Wailuna said:

Check out Find-a-Grave memorial number 138887182  to see what happened to Private Leen after Luke Field.

 

Mahalo,

 

I hadn't taken the time to look up his bio, thanks for the tip.  I found a detailed obit for him covering his service assignments in the HAF/USAAF.

 

 

Excerpt

Colonel Gerald Adrian “Gerry” Leen, Command Pilot, USAF

3 Apr 1916 Saskatchewan, Canada - 7 Dec 2015 (aged 99) Silverdale, Kitsap County, Washington, USA

 

 

He enlisted in the Army Air Corps in 1937, becoming an aircraft mechanic and supply technician. He attended the University of Washington during 1939-1940, at which time he received a flying cadet appointment. Upon completion of flight training he was commissioned in the Army Air Corps. His first five years were spent giving flight training to advanced students and instructor training to experienced military pilots.

 

In 1941, he married the former Florence Hendrickson of Bremerton, Washington, in San Antonio, Texas. The remainder of his twenty-seven years of service in the United States Air Force was spent in logistical career fields and command-pilot flight assignments.

 

Colonel Leen has 5,000 accident-free flying hours in 35 different types of propeller and jet-driven aircraft. He flew in the Berlin Airlift. Tours of service took him to Hawaii, Germany, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Philippines, and numerous bases in the United States. He traveled in over 100 countries as well as to every US state.  He retired from the Air Force in 1964 

[Salvage Sailor]

1 hour ago, Salvage Sailor said:

 

Mahalo,

 

I hadn't taken the time to look up his bio, thanks for the tip.  I found a detailed obit for him covering his service assignments in the HAF/USAAF.

 

 

Excerpt

Colonel Gerald Adrian “Gerry” Leen, Command Pilot, USAF

3 Apr 1916 Saskatchewan, Canada - 7 Dec 2015 (aged 99) Silverdale, Kitsap County, Washington, USA

 

 

He enlisted in the Army Air Corps in 1937, becoming an aircraft mechanic and supply technician. He attended the University of Washington during 1939-1940, at which time he received a flying cadet appointment. Upon completion of flight training he was commissioned in the Army Air Corps. His first five years were spent giving flight training to advanced students and instructor training to experienced military pilots.

 

In 1941, he married the former Florence Hendrickson of Bremerton, Washington, in San Antonio, Texas. The remainder of his twenty-seven years of service in the United States Air Force was spent in logistical career fields and command-pilot flight assignments.

 

Colonel Leen has 5,000 accident-free flying hours in 35 different types of propeller and jet-driven aircraft. He flew in the Berlin Airlift. Tours of service took him to Hawaii, Germany, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Philippines, and numerous bases in the United States. He traveled in over 100 countries as well as to every US state.  He retired from the Air Force in 1964 

 

Forgot I had this too in the Pineapple Air Force archives...

Note PFC Gerald Leen on the Thanksgiving roster