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I found it. :)

 

There are no markings under the flap but a faint US stamp on the front side and a stamp on the back side of which I only can read PACK FIELD and there is a very faint number following as it seems.

I tried to work it out a bit more clear but its impossible to get more informations from it.

 

I also have found the paper tag inside the pack, the backside of the paper tag shows the number 19 just as the flap does.

 

Any Ideas if this could be the Army pattern???

Check this (sorry if too many pictures):

 

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USMC 1970 pattern compared with Army Pattern (???)

note different straps on flap

 

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I can post more pictures if needed.

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D Water Canteen Cover - new version with no bottom - the bottom of the canteen cover was a strip of nylon webbing - this allowed for drainage - a couple of these appeared on eBay a few years ago - but I was not able to bid on them [again they were too high for my budget] - these water canteen covers were assigned the NSN 8465-00-001-6472.

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I have "stolen" thes pictures from an auction about 2-3 years ago

 

I think the winners ID was something like USCANTEENBOOK or so...

 

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I have "stolen" thes pictures from an auction about 2-3 years ago

 

I think the winners ID was something like USCANTEENBOOK or so...

 

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That is the LINCLOE 3rd generation experimental canteen cover. I tried to bid on that auction, but they went for a pretty penny. The person auctioning them had two of them. He also had listed them as "Navy-SEAL-spec-black-ops-blah-blah" canteen covers.

 

Looks like the field pack is definately the "army" version. Good find!

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That is the LINCLOE 3rd generation experimental canteen cover. I tried to bid on that auction, but they went for a pretty penny. The person auctioning them had two of them. He also had listed them as "Navy-SEAL-spec-black-ops-blah-blah" canteen covers.

 

Looks like the field pack is definately the "army" version. Good find!

yes...that's a good army M67 buttpack...the colour & the quality of the nylon is right the same as the other M67 pieces...they look & they feel softer than the later ALICE era items that look & feel thicker...all the other details also screams "M67" thumbsup.gif 1st time i'v seen an oriinal one...that must be a rare pack

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I wonder if this could be the Army M-1967 buttpack.

 

No button straps at the back but two sewn on tabs. I took the picks a few weeks ago and now have found this topic, for more pistures I have to dig it out again.

 

OMG, this looks like real mythical ARMY M67 butt.

Button straps are on USMC M67 butt, how we can see on USMC M67 thread.

According pictures material seems like regular M67 nylon used in Nam.

Cutting is as pictures from manuals and according mr. Stantons book "U.S. Army uniforms of the Vietnam War" this is first model of M67 buttpack.

But I look forward some regular marking on flap. Can You identify all letter of marking on back side? PACK ... ?

Though someone can tell, that it can be training pack or pack intended for civil sector, its most realistic pictures of M67 I have ever seen thumbsup.gif

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I found this M-1967 butt pack a while ago, it has no legible markings, but for $4, who can complain?

 

It seems like real USMC M67 buttpack. U can compare with pictures at USMC M67 thread.

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OMG, this looks like real mythical ARMY M67 butt.

Button straps are on USMC M67 butt, how we can see on USMC M67 thread.

According pictures material seems like regular M67 nylon used in Nam.

Cutting is as pictures from manuals and according mr. Stantons book "U.S. Army uniforms of the Vietnam War" this is first model of M67 buttpack.

But I look forward some regular marking on flap. Can You identify all letter of marking on back side? PACK ... ?

Though someone can tell, that it can be training pack or pack intended for civil sector, its most realistic pictures of M67 I have ever seen thumbsup.gif

 

Impossible to identify all letters oft he backside stamp. As mentioned I can read PACK FIELD and the following numbers or letters aren´t readable.

 

Picture of the US marking on the flap

 

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Impossible to identify all letters oft he backside stamp. As mentioned I can read PACK FIELD and the following numbers or letters aren´t readable.

 

Picture of the US marking on the flap

 

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oops!strange...that's a WWII style US marking & 1st time i see one on an M67 item...you can still see them on some early M56 items of late 50s production but that stule was lon abandoned at the late 60s...strange but that pack is overal very convincing as an original ghost M67 & i still tyink is a real one...we dont have any other reference anyway

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Hello Gent's.

Just wanted to say that I have enjoyed this thread very much. Very informative, some first class pictures, and you have now got me collecting more kit! pinch.gif

Thanks, Chris.

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charles_franklin_carter
He is alive and kicking and knows about this forum but so far he has not joined. That is, as far as I know he hasn't, he might be a closet member just observing and laughing at us discussing all this stuff he forgot about 20 years ago.

Thanks for the kind words, nice to know I'm not forgotten. Mainly I was damn near blind for two years with cataracts and then almost died from something else after the cataracts were removed. I have been living in an assisted living facilty since April. And my house was condemned for sagging ceilings so I had four huge filing cabinets and shelves of books moved to the ground floor. One more room to go.

I couldn't do much without seeing. Magnifiers wer my new collection. :rolleyes: Seriously now with the net I am finding beaucoup new personal narratives on the Mexican Revolution. My heritage collection of bibliographic reference. One page or a whole book, newspaper or periodical.

Now to the discussion at hand about the nylon Pocket and the SAA Case for the M14. Some years ago before I retired I made up a data sheet listing all the stock numbers. Someone must have that still and should post it.

The first thing to understand is that the US Navy never adopted the M16s. They continued to use the M14s and the Seals still use them and other special arms for SOCOM.

An M16 is simply not long ranged or powerful enough for potting drifting contact mines. I have seen shots taken during the first Gulf War of sailors firing from the sitting position while on tanker escort duty. They wore no accoutrements. Probably a magazine or two in the pants pocket.

The Navy obviously thought that nylon web was the thing to have as they could be stored in the arms locker and not rot.

The Pocket, Ammuntion Magazine, would have been for parade duty, and for for ship's guard and detachments, while the SAA Case is for landing parties and has the same straps and grenade carriers as does the short nylon M16 case.

About twelve years ago or more a whole batch of the pockets were sold off. I bought enough so that I seriously considered slicing off the suspender straps, etc and using fabric cement to make a Case, SAA up for display. But I thought the markings would mislead posterity. If sewing had been used used the modification would be apparet and dingbat would call it "rigger made".

The simple answer is that the Case was still an active item the last time I looked at the catalog in the early eighties and since they can be used with all the other SOCOM special arms, they are still in the active inventory.

So if you are prowling around a Navy Depot such as the one near Mechanicsburg, PA, maybe a case will turn up.

Charles_Franklin_Carter once known as Webcat.

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Hello C_F_C, welcome back. I am happy to see you here, finally. There are many threads that need your attention. I am sure there are many of the old timers that will also be happy about this. You are often mentioned and never once have I heard your name taken in vain.

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Has It been determined that this is a USMC butt pack?

 

If so, is it M-1967 or part of the LINCLOE program?

 

Are they more or less common than the Army M-1967 butt packs?

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Has It been determined that this is a USMC butt pack?

 

If so, is it M-1967 or part of the LINCLOE program?

 

Are they more or less common than the Army M-1967 butt packs?

 

Yes, it is USMC buttpack of USMC M1967 set.

 

Yes, I think We can consider M67 as part of LINCLOE program.

 

more or less common than the Army buttpacks? I can tell only my experience, I seen a few pictures of USMC M67 buttpack, but ARMY buttpack, If We consider as ARMY right is one in this thread.

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Yes, it is USMC buttpack of USMC M1967 set.

 

Yes, I think We can consider M67 as part of LINCLOE program.

 

more or less common than the Army buttpacks? I can tell only my experience, I seen a few pictures of USMC M67 buttpack, but ARMY buttpack, If We consider as ARMY right is one in this thread.

The lincloe program included some older items and some newer. It resulted in the M1972, redesignated as LC-1.

The USMC version is quite scarce as it was incompatible with the Rucksack, Light wieght and it was not needed with the Rucksack, Tropical.

The Army version though probably Combat Pack, Training is seen in many photos of the Rangers who jumped into Grenada.

The USMC version is extremely rare. I have never seen one in unused condition. They survived in well-washed wrinkly condition. The principal difference is the addition of two snaps on the H-suspenders fitting the D-rings on the top rear of the pack and snap straps which fit around the suspender straps to prevent bouncing. All this is for the high carry. The Army version needs a seperate over the shouder harness similat to that used for the bedroll on the M1956 equipment.

There is also a USMC version of the Case, SAA, LC-1 for 30 round magazines which has internal flaps to retain the magazines when the main flap is open.

CFC

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Sgtmonroe where did you find your pictures of late LINCLOE equipments?

And you were spoke about 3rd model canteen cover. Is 1st and 2nd model a M1967 with plastic and metal snaps?

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Sgtmonroe where did you find your pictures of late LINCLOE equipments?

And you were spoke about 3rd model canteen cover. Is 1st and 2nd model a M1967 with plastic and metal snaps?

 

I have been digging through my boxes of junk and have yet to find the LINCLOE belt I have. But least to say it is identical to the ALICE belts.

 

The first and second generation LINCLOE water canteen covers were M-1967 [with plastic snap fastners]. The second generation were the ones that another member posted images of with the plastic belt keepers [earlier in this thread]. Of course the 3rd generation are the ones Constabulary posted with the open bottoms.

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Thank you for information.

And are your pictures posted here from any manulas or equipment books?

 

They are from the 1975 final LINCLOE report generated by the Natick Labs rep that oversaw the project.

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The LC-1 canteen covers were very rare twenty some years ago. I found only one in a cardboard shipping drum of covers.

They were only made for a couple of years as the lipless canteen cup cut through when crawling around. The LC-2 has the nylon reinforce strip inside.

Feel very fortunate if you have one. They were made over thirty years ago.

If you collect the new SOCOM items, I only have issue items.

And then there is the system of the late seventies, two different load bearing vests, the CFP 90 and others. I started subscribing to Army Times again after fifty years.

Since then body armor has become the base of the systems-the abortive USMC MOLLE 1 and the Army standard version.

The best way to get the MOLLE base vest is from a company in Hong Kong catering to paint ballers. The copy is exact in every detail, however, the plates are not ceramic but molded plastic. Less than fifty bucks including shipping.

 

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http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/topics/Al...rying_Equipment

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