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USMC Female MGySgt chevron w 3 rockers

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Picked these up awhile back (either from a forum member here or ebay... cannot remember which) but I suspect that they were made in error.
To my knowledge there has never been a MGySgt rank with only three rockers, not to mention this a current style chevron.

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Semper Fidelis, to all Marines past, present and future..

*Remembering CWO3 James Warren Maddox, USMC 1957-2018*

LOOKING FOR EARLY USMC CHEVRONS & RANK INSIGNIA, COMPETITIVE MARKSMANSHIP AWARDS, RECRUITING MATERIALS AND POSTERS, PHOTOGRAPHS, PENNANTS, SIGNATURES, EARLY NUMBERED CAMPAIGN MEDALS, PRE-1900 USMC GOOD CONDUCT MEDAL, USMC ENGRAVED NAVY MARKSMANSHIP MEDAL, ANY MATERIALS RELATED TO 1ST BATTALION 9TH MARINES OR ANY OF THE THREE SHIPS BEARING THE NAME "USS MADDOX".


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Very nice....Just curious as to how you know they are female chevrons. Are they smaller in size? They look smaller but I am not sure.

 

...Kat


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Yes Kat, they are the current regulation female size. I should have included a ruler to show size. Sorry!


Semper Fidelis, to all Marines past, present and future..

*Remembering CWO3 James Warren Maddox, USMC 1957-2018*

LOOKING FOR EARLY USMC CHEVRONS & RANK INSIGNIA, COMPETITIVE MARKSMANSHIP AWARDS, RECRUITING MATERIALS AND POSTERS, PHOTOGRAPHS, PENNANTS, SIGNATURES, EARLY NUMBERED CAMPAIGN MEDALS, PRE-1900 USMC GOOD CONDUCT MEDAL, USMC ENGRAVED NAVY MARKSMANSHIP MEDAL, ANY MATERIALS RELATED TO 1ST BATTALION 9TH MARINES OR ANY OF THE THREE SHIPS BEARING THE NAME "USS MADDOX".


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No worries about the ruler. I was just curious. They are very nice!

 

...Kat


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Sorry. Meant to ask. When did it go to 3 rockers? I have never seen that one


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It never did. There is no such rank as that. That's why I suspect that this was produced by mistake. Who knows how or why or how many are out there.


Semper Fidelis, to all Marines past, present and future..

*Remembering CWO3 James Warren Maddox, USMC 1957-2018*

LOOKING FOR EARLY USMC CHEVRONS & RANK INSIGNIA, COMPETITIVE MARKSMANSHIP AWARDS, RECRUITING MATERIALS AND POSTERS, PHOTOGRAPHS, PENNANTS, SIGNATURES, EARLY NUMBERED CAMPAIGN MEDALS, PRE-1900 USMC GOOD CONDUCT MEDAL, USMC ENGRAVED NAVY MARKSMANSHIP MEDAL, ANY MATERIALS RELATED TO 1ST BATTALION 9TH MARINES OR ANY OF THE THREE SHIPS BEARING THE NAME "USS MADDOX".


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I looked and can not find any 3 rocker Master Gunnery Sgt stripes in a male or female version.I wonder if its a manufacture error? I tried looking under Jr & Sr ROTC, no luck.


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That was what I said in my initial post (:


Semper Fidelis, to all Marines past, present and future..

*Remembering CWO3 James Warren Maddox, USMC 1957-2018*

LOOKING FOR EARLY USMC CHEVRONS & RANK INSIGNIA, COMPETITIVE MARKSMANSHIP AWARDS, RECRUITING MATERIALS AND POSTERS, PHOTOGRAPHS, PENNANTS, SIGNATURES, EARLY NUMBERED CAMPAIGN MEDALS, PRE-1900 USMC GOOD CONDUCT MEDAL, USMC ENGRAVED NAVY MARKSMANSHIP MEDAL, ANY MATERIALS RELATED TO 1ST BATTALION 9TH MARINES OR ANY OF THE THREE SHIPS BEARING THE NAME "USS MADDOX".


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That was what I said in my initial post (:

 

Yes I know you did.I was agreeing with you.I was just stating that I too tried to look for a 3 rocker one.


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There were 3 rocker SGT Major USMC chevrons in the late 50's. Had these 3 rocker Mater Gunnery chevrons been of older manufacturer, there may have been a possibility that they had a connection to that somehow. But being of current manufacturer, I'd have to agree they were made in error, or perhaps the guy who manufacturers strangely colored US Army shoulder patches (and sells them on Ebay to unsuspecting collectors) has branched-out to creating and selling strange chevrons.....


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Definitely post 1995, and I'd say an error at the factory. Wouldn't be the first time. We've seen SgtMaj of the Marine Corps chevrons in female size...an obvious error as there has never been a female holding that rank, and since only one exists at a time I imagine he has to special order all his ranks. Definitely not going to find them at the PX (unless Quantico...?)


-Brig
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RSU-Quantico


"FOR OUR TOMORROWS, THEY GAVE THEIR TODAYS"
RIP
Sgt Jesse 'Jeff Nasty' Balthaser
Sgt John P Huling
Cpl Carlos 'Gilo Monster' Gilorozco
Cpl Stephen C 'Socks' Sockalosky
LCpl Joshua A 'Scottie' Scott
LCpl Jason Lee 'Birdman' Frye
LCpl Nicolas B Morrison
LCpl Jon T Hicks
LCpl Osbrany 'Oz' Montes De Oca
Pvt Lewis T D Calapini
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Definitely post 1995, and I'd say an error at the factory. Wouldn't be the first time. We've seen SgtMaj of the Marine Corps chevrons in female size...an obvious error as there has never been a female holding that rank, and since only one exists at a time I imagine he has to special order all his ranks. Definitely not going to find them at the PX (unless Quantico...?)

 

BRIG I have a pair of the female SMMC stripes.Khaki version and look 60s/70s era.I have had them for a long time and do not remember where I got them. The EG&A centers are both facing one way, not a R & L set, they way I got them.


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I believe the mistake was made in the 90s...the set I sold were dress, and had the embroidered edges. Of course, shirt emblems have never had embroidered edges, but as chevrons haven't changed much since the 60s, I'd venture to say yours are close in age to the ones I sold


-Brig
GySgt/USMC/0369
RSU-Quantico


"FOR OUR TOMORROWS, THEY GAVE THEIR TODAYS"
RIP
Sgt Jesse 'Jeff Nasty' Balthaser
Sgt John P Huling
Cpl Carlos 'Gilo Monster' Gilorozco
Cpl Stephen C 'Socks' Sockalosky
LCpl Joshua A 'Scottie' Scott
LCpl Jason Lee 'Birdman' Frye
LCpl Nicolas B Morrison
LCpl Jon T Hicks
LCpl Osbrany 'Oz' Montes De Oca
Pvt Lewis T D Calapini
'The SOI 5'

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These are not 90s era stripes.Having trouble posting pics but will try, plus I need to find them again.Buried in a box with other patches.


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Yes please post pics of those khaki female SMMCs! I need to see those! Brig, as far as the SMMC ordering chevrons, they can be ordered directly from The Uniform Store (That was where I got mine for my SMMC display last year). The story I understood that resulted in the female sized SMMC chevrons was that one year, through a clerical error, a batch of those chevrons were ordered in the smaller size. Would have been anywhere between 1970 and early 1990's when they went merrowed. The only thing that makes me doubt that is there do appear to be quite a few of them out there and I have also seen both the older female size (short and squatty) and the current female size. I have never seen any with merrowed edges though. Do you have photos of the ones you sold Brig?


Semper Fidelis, to all Marines past, present and future..

*Remembering CWO3 James Warren Maddox, USMC 1957-2018*

LOOKING FOR EARLY USMC CHEVRONS & RANK INSIGNIA, COMPETITIVE MARKSMANSHIP AWARDS, RECRUITING MATERIALS AND POSTERS, PHOTOGRAPHS, PENNANTS, SIGNATURES, EARLY NUMBERED CAMPAIGN MEDALS, PRE-1900 USMC GOOD CONDUCT MEDAL, USMC ENGRAVED NAVY MARKSMANSHIP MEDAL, ANY MATERIALS RELATED TO 1ST BATTALION 9TH MARINES OR ANY OF THE THREE SHIPS BEARING THE NAME "USS MADDOX".


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No, long gone

 

Merrowing of the edges on alpha/blues chevrons occurred in 1995


-Brig
GySgt/USMC/0369
RSU-Quantico


"FOR OUR TOMORROWS, THEY GAVE THEIR TODAYS"
RIP
Sgt Jesse 'Jeff Nasty' Balthaser
Sgt John P Huling
Cpl Carlos 'Gilo Monster' Gilorozco
Cpl Stephen C 'Socks' Sockalosky
LCpl Joshua A 'Scottie' Scott
LCpl Jason Lee 'Birdman' Frye
LCpl Nicolas B Morrison
LCpl Jon T Hicks
LCpl Osbrany 'Oz' Montes De Oca
Pvt Lewis T D Calapini
'The SOI 5'

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Yes please post pics of those khaki female SMMCs! I need to see those! Brig, as far as the SMMC ordering chevrons, they can be ordered directly from The Uniform Store (That was where I got mine for my SMMC display last year). The story I understood that resulted in the female sized SMMC chevrons was that one year, through a clerical error, a batch of those chevrons were ordered in the smaller size. Would have been anywhere between 1970 and early 1990's when they went merrowed. The only thing that makes me doubt that is there do appear to be quite a few of them out there and I have also seen both the older female size (short and squatty) and the current female size. I have never seen any with merrowed edges though. Do you have photos of the ones you sold Brig?

 

I will see what I can do.


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No, long gone

 

Merrowing of the edges on alpha/blues chevrons occurred in 1995

And you are saying that you sold a pair of merrowed female SMMCs dress chevrons?


Semper Fidelis, to all Marines past, present and future..

*Remembering CWO3 James Warren Maddox, USMC 1957-2018*

LOOKING FOR EARLY USMC CHEVRONS & RANK INSIGNIA, COMPETITIVE MARKSMANSHIP AWARDS, RECRUITING MATERIALS AND POSTERS, PHOTOGRAPHS, PENNANTS, SIGNATURES, EARLY NUMBERED CAMPAIGN MEDALS, PRE-1900 USMC GOOD CONDUCT MEDAL, USMC ENGRAVED NAVY MARKSMANSHIP MEDAL, ANY MATERIALS RELATED TO 1ST BATTALION 9TH MARINES OR ANY OF THE THREE SHIPS BEARING THE NAME "USS MADDOX".


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Here are the two style female SMMC chevrons I have seen, and on closer inspection the left pair does appear to have merrowed edges. Does anyone know what year the Corps changed the size on the female chevrons? I was under the impression it was before 1995 but if the old size female chevrons have merrowed edges why would the current size NOT have merrowed edges?
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Semper Fidelis, to all Marines past, present and future..

*Remembering CWO3 James Warren Maddox, USMC 1957-2018*

LOOKING FOR EARLY USMC CHEVRONS & RANK INSIGNIA, COMPETITIVE MARKSMANSHIP AWARDS, RECRUITING MATERIALS AND POSTERS, PHOTOGRAPHS, PENNANTS, SIGNATURES, EARLY NUMBERED CAMPAIGN MEDALS, PRE-1900 USMC GOOD CONDUCT MEDAL, USMC ENGRAVED NAVY MARKSMANSHIP MEDAL, ANY MATERIALS RELATED TO 1ST BATTALION 9TH MARINES OR ANY OF THE THREE SHIPS BEARING THE NAME "USS MADDOX".


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I imagine Brig that the ones you sold were the same ones on the left. The ones on the right are the ones that appear on ebay frequently. The lower image is comparing sizes between the current male chevron and the (current size) female chevrons.


Semper Fidelis, to all Marines past, present and future..

*Remembering CWO3 James Warren Maddox, USMC 1957-2018*

LOOKING FOR EARLY USMC CHEVRONS & RANK INSIGNIA, COMPETITIVE MARKSMANSHIP AWARDS, RECRUITING MATERIALS AND POSTERS, PHOTOGRAPHS, PENNANTS, SIGNATURES, EARLY NUMBERED CAMPAIGN MEDALS, PRE-1900 USMC GOOD CONDUCT MEDAL, USMC ENGRAVED NAVY MARKSMANSHIP MEDAL, ANY MATERIALS RELATED TO 1ST BATTALION 9TH MARINES OR ANY OF THE THREE SHIPS BEARING THE NAME "USS MADDOX".


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And you are saying that you sold a pair of merrowed female SMMCs dress chevrons?

indeed


-Brig
GySgt/USMC/0369
RSU-Quantico


"FOR OUR TOMORROWS, THEY GAVE THEIR TODAYS"
RIP
Sgt Jesse 'Jeff Nasty' Balthaser
Sgt John P Huling
Cpl Carlos 'Gilo Monster' Gilorozco
Cpl Stephen C 'Socks' Sockalosky
LCpl Joshua A 'Scottie' Scott
LCpl Jason Lee 'Birdman' Frye
LCpl Nicolas B Morrison
LCpl Jon T Hicks
LCpl Osbrany 'Oz' Montes De Oca
Pvt Lewis T D Calapini
'The SOI 5'

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Looking for the ones I have.They have just the EG&A, NO stars.Not the short wide style.


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that sure is interesting!


Semper Fidelis, to all Marines past, present and future..

*Remembering CWO3 James Warren Maddox, USMC 1957-2018*

LOOKING FOR EARLY USMC CHEVRONS & RANK INSIGNIA, COMPETITIVE MARKSMANSHIP AWARDS, RECRUITING MATERIALS AND POSTERS, PHOTOGRAPHS, PENNANTS, SIGNATURES, EARLY NUMBERED CAMPAIGN MEDALS, PRE-1900 USMC GOOD CONDUCT MEDAL, USMC ENGRAVED NAVY MARKSMANSHIP MEDAL, ANY MATERIALS RELATED TO 1ST BATTALION 9TH MARINES OR ANY OF THE THREE SHIPS BEARING THE NAME "USS MADDOX".


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I stand corrected. Dress blue version with the 2 stars. It's been awhile since I've seen them.

 

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