A.E. F. ‘Trench’ & Overseas Caps

[Cote_1918]

On 9/8/2019 at 10:52 AM, world war I nerd said:

Glen, thanks for posting pics of your 1918 dated Winter Field Cap with buckled ear flaps.

 

I wonder if that was a late war specification that never made it overseas? I've seen dozens and dozens of period photos, taken both in the U.S. and overseas, of soldiers wearing Winter Field Caps, but not one of them utilized a buckle. The flaps were all secured by the more common cloth ties. Just because we haven't seen a buckled cap in period photos yes, doesn't mean that they were not worn, but if they were worn, there must not have been very many of them in circulation.

I've seen a few pics of guys in Russia with them on. I think its and extreme cold weather cap.

[TrenchRat]

Cote_1918,

 

Hey, thanks for your input...

Any chance you can get a copy of any image showing the buckled cap to post here??

[johnny12550]

What are the thoughts on this overseas cap. I’ve never seen one like this before

[cwnorma]

Emerson illustrates this design (in blue) worn by an Army Nurse (p581 figure 79-4).  This particular example (in khaki twill) is likely from a semi-official women's motor corps unit.  There were literally dozens of such organizations in cities around the country.  Despite Jill Smith's extra-ordinary study of World War One women's uniforms, most of these smaller, regional organizations remain poorly, or completely undocumented.

[johnny12550]

Thanks for the info. I just bought it and really took a gamble. I knew it was WW1 and probably Motor Corps or some type of Female military or volunteer service, but I really Had no idea.

[AustinO]

You took a gamble, I took a gamble too!  Pulled it out of a pile of about 200 os caps last week. Wasn't sure on the female piece so only called it out as a possibility in the listing.  Let me know if you're able to find and period shots of one in wear with that insignia. 

 

[johnny12550]

If I do find a period pic I will definitely post it. I had looked at all sorts or pics before and after purchasing it and still have not seen  someone wearing it.

[richbradley56]

Hello all -

     I'm glad this topic is still active & rich with information.  Many thanks!  I include here some images from my great-grandfather, Brig. Gen. F.M. Caldwell,  He commanded the 75th brigade, 38th division, which was broken up on arrival in France in October, 1918.  He was then assigned to the 83rd brigade, 42nd division, though he was attached to the 29th & 79th divisions during the latter stages of the Meuse-Argonne offensive (I assume with V corps & perhaps helping coordination of the passage of lines, as the 79th relieved the 29th).  He later commanded the 83rd brigade during the occupation of the Rhineland, returning Stateside in April, 1919.

     This cap is his, along with his 42nd div. patch & I.D. tag.  I believe purchased Before going overseas.  The photo certainly is, note the absence of a Sam Browne belt.  I have never seen a general officer photo in France showing a cap with 3/8" gold trim, all I've seen seem to be with rather narrower gold soutache.  Enjoy.

    

[David Zimmerman]

My grandfather's hat with Quartermaster insignia and putees.