MasonK Posted September 6, 2015 Share #1 Posted September 6, 2015 Picked this up at a local shop today. Embarrassingly, I only paid $10. I assume its for the 57th Class of Technical Training School. Hoping to find more information the class, and the base the school would have been stationed out of. Guidon is in great shape; no mothing to the felt lettering, however one small rip in the flag material. Measures 29"x19". The Philadelphia QM Depot tag is present in the sleeve. Sadly, half of the tag is missing, so if there was a date, it went with the second half. Any help that could be provided in ID'n the class or base, would be appreciated! Thanks in advance! Eric ASMIC #5492 Are you a militaria collector in PA, NJ or DE? If so, please feel free to join my "Delaware Valley Militaria Collectors" page on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MilitariaCollectorsOfDelawareValley#!/groups/DELVALMILITARIA/ Check me out on Instagram @philly_militaria_collector Link to post Share on other sites
MasonK Posted September 6, 2015 Author Share #2 Posted September 6, 2015 Eric ASMIC #5492 Are you a militaria collector in PA, NJ or DE? If so, please feel free to join my "Delaware Valley Militaria Collectors" page on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MilitariaCollectorsOfDelawareValley#!/groups/DELVALMILITARIA/ Check me out on Instagram @philly_militaria_collector Link to post Share on other sites
MasonK Posted September 6, 2015 Author Share #3 Posted September 6, 2015 Eric ASMIC #5492 Are you a militaria collector in PA, NJ or DE? If so, please feel free to join my "Delaware Valley Militaria Collectors" page on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MilitariaCollectorsOfDelawareValley#!/groups/DELVALMILITARIA/ Check me out on Instagram @philly_militaria_collector Link to post Share on other sites
littlebuddy Posted September 6, 2015 Share #4 Posted September 6, 2015 Eric !!!! WANTED : RAF 1940 PATT FLYING BOOTS WANTED : DINGHY TYPE K ,TYPE A " ALWAYS WANTING USAAF ITEMS IN THEIR ORIGINAL PACKAGING " "WOULD ALSO LIKE 487th FS AND 515TH BS RELATED ITEMS " "Illegitmi non carborundum" Link to post Share on other sites
MasonK Posted September 6, 2015 Author Share #5 Posted September 6, 2015 Carl!! Eric ASMIC #5492 Are you a militaria collector in PA, NJ or DE? If so, please feel free to join my "Delaware Valley Militaria Collectors" page on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MilitariaCollectorsOfDelawareValley#!/groups/DELVALMILITARIA/ Check me out on Instagram @philly_militaria_collector Link to post Share on other sites
littlebuddy Posted September 6, 2015 Share #6 Posted September 6, 2015 You find the good stuff dont you !! WANTED : RAF 1940 PATT FLYING BOOTS WANTED : DINGHY TYPE K ,TYPE A " ALWAYS WANTING USAAF ITEMS IN THEIR ORIGINAL PACKAGING " "WOULD ALSO LIKE 487th FS AND 515TH BS RELATED ITEMS " "Illegitmi non carborundum" Link to post Share on other sites
MasonK Posted September 7, 2015 Author Share #7 Posted September 7, 2015 (In my best Morgan Freeman voice) I've been known to locate certain things from time to time. Eric ASMIC #5492 Are you a militaria collector in PA, NJ or DE? If so, please feel free to join my "Delaware Valley Militaria Collectors" page on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MilitariaCollectorsOfDelawareValley#!/groups/DELVALMILITARIA/ Check me out on Instagram @philly_militaria_collector Link to post Share on other sites
littlebuddy Posted September 7, 2015 Share #8 Posted September 7, 2015 You certainly do my friend! WANTED : RAF 1940 PATT FLYING BOOTS WANTED : DINGHY TYPE K ,TYPE A " ALWAYS WANTING USAAF ITEMS IN THEIR ORIGINAL PACKAGING " "WOULD ALSO LIKE 487th FS AND 515TH BS RELATED ITEMS " "Illegitmi non carborundum" Link to post Share on other sites
phantomfixer Posted September 7, 2015 Share #9 Posted September 7, 2015 I like it.... Link to post Share on other sites
Mr.Jerry Posted September 7, 2015 Share #10 Posted September 7, 2015 Flags are cool! and $10 flags are even cooler! Mr.JERRY My new book on the History of the US Service Flag is available now- contact me directly for a signed copy https://www.elmgrovepublishing.com/in-the-service-of-our-country Collector of WWI & WWII Home Front Flags, Unit Flags & Guidons, US & German helmets, insignia, uniforms, medals, Women's Military Uniforms, Wisconsin Vocational School made Fighting Knives. Military Collectibles Shop Owner & Dealer in everything else~! Check out our Facebook page for updates and the latest Shop news!: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Military-Collectibles-Shop/171226792906875 Visit our website (and visit our shop if you are ever near Milwaukee, WI USA) http://www.militarycollectorsHQ.com See what Mr.Jerry has on eBay this week: https://www.ebay.com/sch/mr.jerry/m.html?_ipg=200&_sop=1&_rdc=1 Link to post Share on other sites
Lee Ragan Posted September 8, 2015 Share #11 Posted September 8, 2015 I have a guideon from the 3704 Basic Military Training Squadron (Lackland AFB), that I paid $10 for about 10 years ago. Link to post Share on other sites
MasonK Posted September 8, 2015 Author Share #12 Posted September 8, 2015 Thanks, Gents! I was quite excited to find it, as it was hidden under a handful of large US flags. Certainly happy with the price, too! Have to make a repeat trip to this shop as he had some other nice items, at fair prices. Sadly, didn't take credit, and I only had a 10 spot on me. My guess is, Ill likely have a hard time confirming with base this would have come from. There were quite a few bases that had technical schools, and I imagine all had a 57th class. Eric ASMIC #5492 Are you a militaria collector in PA, NJ or DE? If so, please feel free to join my "Delaware Valley Militaria Collectors" page on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MilitariaCollectorsOfDelawareValley#!/groups/DELVALMILITARIA/ Check me out on Instagram @philly_militaria_collector Link to post Share on other sites
phantomfixer Posted September 10, 2015 Share #13 Posted September 10, 2015 I think 57 is more a flight number versus a class number..and could be wrong...but flight numbers were continually reused were class numbers were changed would love to find a 3708th BMTS Flt 051 guidon..just sayin Link to post Share on other sites
nirvana Posted September 12, 2015 Share #14 Posted September 12, 2015 A great flag, and you stole it, of course. The guidon is original army made and issue of course, the blue with the propellor wing. I am of the opinion that it was made during WW2, as the pole sleeve is khaki/green on the inside. I'm not saying that there weren't white sleeve liners during WW2, but every flag I've ever seen and believed to be 100% war time era has been green. That doesn't mean that its a war time issue flag, as I've seen green liners used well up into the '50s and perhaps even later. The lettering doesn't look like traditional QM sewn letters that you normally see. I would bet that because of its nature (a training class), that the base had a number of these blank, and then would have someone onbase or offbase sew on the appropriate letters. Neat piece, these are really hard to find. I like guidon flags. They're my bag, baby. Link to post Share on other sites
MasonK Posted September 18, 2015 Author Share #15 Posted September 18, 2015 A great flag, and you stole it, of course. The guidon is original army made and issue of course, the blue with the propellor wing. I am of the opinion that it was made during WW2, as the pole sleeve is khaki/green on the inside. I'm not saying that there weren't white sleeve liners during WW2, but every flag I've ever seen and believed to be 100% war time era has been green. That doesn't mean that its a war time issue flag, as I've seen green liners used well up into the '50s and perhaps even later. The lettering doesn't look like traditional QM sewn letters that you normally see. I would bet that because of its nature (a training class), that the base had a number of these blank, and then would have someone onbase or offbase sew on the appropriate letters. Neat piece, these are really hard to find. Thanks, Nirvana! I appreciate the additional details you've provided, and am glad you are in the opinion of it being WWII; that was my thinking as well. This is the first guidon I've seen in person, and have had the opportunity to study. Usually at a show they are behind glass, and priced out of my range, so I don't take the opportunity to look them over. The letter's are felt, and sewn onto the flag. I imagine, as you said, the QM sent blanks to allow for them to be made up as needed, which makes perfect sense. I did find it odd that letters were sewn backwards on the reverse side of the flag. I plan on framing it behind glass. Should look great on display. Already have a spot on the wall ready for it! Eric ASMIC #5492 Are you a militaria collector in PA, NJ or DE? If so, please feel free to join my "Delaware Valley Militaria Collectors" page on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MilitariaCollectorsOfDelawareValley#!/groups/DELVALMILITARIA/ Check me out on Instagram @philly_militaria_collector Link to post Share on other sites
MasonK Posted September 18, 2015 Author Share #16 Posted September 18, 2015 I think 57 is more a flight number versus a class number..and could be wrong...but flight numbers were continually reused were class numbers were changed would love to find a 3708th BMTS Flt 051 guidon..just sayin Thanks, Phantom. You certainly could be correct. I've been browsing online photos of AAF/AAC yardlongs, trying to find a similar guidon, specifically for tech school, and no such luck. Hoping to find that link to confirm. Eric ASMIC #5492 Are you a militaria collector in PA, NJ or DE? If so, please feel free to join my "Delaware Valley Militaria Collectors" page on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MilitariaCollectorsOfDelawareValley#!/groups/DELVALMILITARIA/ Check me out on Instagram @philly_militaria_collector Link to post Share on other sites
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