Jay V Posted August 28, 2015 Share #1 Posted August 28, 2015 Hi Guys Was wondering if anyone can give me an idea of the time frame of production. The clutchs I believe have been replaced over time .Thanks Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay V Posted August 28, 2015 Author Share #2 Posted August 28, 2015 Reverse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay V Posted August 28, 2015 Author Share #3 Posted August 28, 2015 Sterling mark, faint buy readable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry K. Posted August 28, 2015 Share #4 Posted August 28, 2015 Post war EM's for sure, pre 1965 most likely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay V Posted August 28, 2015 Author Share #5 Posted August 28, 2015 That's what I was thinking era Vietnam,but wanted to get thoughts .Still nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeK Posted August 28, 2015 Share #6 Posted August 28, 2015 Hi Jay, In the absence of a single-letter/single digit maker code, it could be earlier than mentioned and pre-1960. As already mentioned though, it's silver for an EM so it's definitely 1951 or later. Regards Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay V Posted August 28, 2015 Author Share #7 Posted August 28, 2015 Thanks Mike!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted February 2, 2016 Share #8 Posted February 2, 2016 Jay, Apologies for the lateness of my input here but I was looking through past threads and got looking at this one a bit closer. If you still have the piece, can you check the reverse for a possible additional hallmark? This one appears to be an earlier enlisted set by Hilborn Hamburger and may have the H-H Eagle on the opposite side. I also see what appears in the photo, some lettering, though it may be just the way the light is hitting the surface. I've circled the area in red and point to two areas I am looking at (slightly highlighted in yellow). Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted February 2, 2016 Share #9 Posted February 2, 2016 Here's another set, though I think it's a bit later production compared to your example, based on the reverse die. Compare the details and I think you'll agree. Note the sterling mark is opposite of yours and the H-H eagle is on the left, though its a pretty weak stamping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted February 2, 2016 Share #10 Posted February 2, 2016 Here's a close up and you can see it better. I think your example also carries the eagle, though it may be a smaller, earlier version of the hallmark. Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefighter Posted February 4, 2016 Share #11 Posted February 4, 2016 I am thinking late WW2-50s era. Has the shorter Pins. Great looking badge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted February 4, 2016 Share #12 Posted February 4, 2016 Not WW2, I would 1950's into early 1960's, my best guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefighter Posted February 4, 2016 Share #13 Posted February 4, 2016 Not WW2, I would 1950's into early 1960's, my best guess. Why not WW2, please explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted February 5, 2016 Share #14 Posted February 5, 2016 Why not WW2, please explain. Are you messing with me or, you really don't know that answer? Enlisted personnel wore a silk embroidered style insignia (a sew-on patch) on the sleeve of their uniform showing qualification in submarines during WW2. This patch moved to the left breast in 1947 and a change to the Naval Uniform Regulations, dated 21 September 1950, authorized (for the first time) a silver plated, pin-on insignia (of the same design as the officer pattern) for enlisted personnel. There were other points of that 1950 change but basically, any silver submarine set of dolphins for enlisted personnel were made post September 1950. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted February 5, 2016 Share #15 Posted February 5, 2016 This thread shows some examples of what the WW2 enlisted looked like:http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/213094-my-small-cloth-wwii-submarine-badge-collection/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay V Posted February 5, 2016 Author Share #16 Posted February 5, 2016 Hi Tim Thanks for the additional info.I looked thru a loop and cant tell 100% if there is the hallmark or not or just wish full thinking,but I have added a couple more photos. Jay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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firefighter Posted February 5, 2016 Share #21 Posted February 5, 2016 Are you messing with me or, you really don't know that answer? Enlisted personnel wore a silk embroidered style insignia (a sew-on patch) on the sleeve of their uniform showing qualification in submarines during WW2. This patch moved to the left breast in 1947 and a change to the Naval Uniform Regulations, dated 21 September 1950, authorized (for the first time) a silver plated, pin-on insignia (of the same design as the officer pattern) for enlisted personnel. There were other points of that 1950 change but basically, any silver submarine set of dolphins for enlisted personnel were made post September 1950. I actually did forget, Duh! . But it's nice to elaborate on an answer. But there are people that don't know about the cloth dolphins.But I should have added post-WW2. So I wasn't to far off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim B Posted February 5, 2016 Share #22 Posted February 5, 2016 Hi Jay, I guess there is nothing there after all, just a play of the lighting and shadows. That's the problem with photographing these small items sometimes. I do see the notch in the post you show, which does date you badge a bit later, but I don't remember exactly when they started putting that little notch in the upper portion of the post to better secure the brass clutch fasteners. Hey, I tried man!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay V Posted February 5, 2016 Author Share #23 Posted February 5, 2016 Tim And I appreciate it!!! And appreciate all that you do for the forum on other threads! Take Care Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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