artur95 Posted August 21, 2015 Share #26 Posted August 21, 2015 Regarding the colored bar patch, it might be a "arm of service" strip. They would identify the specific service (artillery, ordnance, e.t.c), on a Commonwealth soldier's uniform. Here is a link I found: http://www.petergh.f2s.com/armstrips.html Maybe one of our British collectors can chime in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doyler Posted August 21, 2015 Share #27 Posted August 21, 2015 Regarding the colored bar patch, it might be a "arm of service" strip. They would identify the specific service (artillery, ordnance, e.t.c), on a Commonwealth soldier's uniform. Here is a link I found: http://www.petergh.f2s.com/armstrips.html That was my initial thought but wanted to ask if someone knew positively. I wonder if he may have been a liaison to a Brit or Canadian unit. Maybe one of our British collectors can chime in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Devil Posted August 21, 2015 Share #28 Posted August 21, 2015 Amazing group in the works! Looking forward to following this history as it is shared! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedStateRanger Posted August 22, 2015 Author Share #29 Posted August 22, 2015 The pilot flew in Op Market Garden. Here are some picts from the pilot's family and who attended the dedication of the 9th Troop Carrier Command memorial in Son, Holland in 2012. The memorial is located at the site where the 437th TCG landed members of the 82nd Abn in Sep 1944. Will add more, next post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedStateRanger Posted August 22, 2015 Author Share #30 Posted August 22, 2015 The memorial from the dedication. Other picts too large unti I edit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedStateRanger Posted August 22, 2015 Author Share #31 Posted August 22, 2015 Here are some other uniform details. I don't recognize the ribbon with oak leaf cluster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedStateRanger Posted August 22, 2015 Author Share #32 Posted August 22, 2015 Grouping includes a nice Ike jacket with but with one SSI attached. Sorry, editor wouldn't let me rotate the pict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedStateRanger Posted August 22, 2015 Author Share #33 Posted August 22, 2015 The following info provided by Jonesy1275, ref the pilot grouping and his glider mission into Normandy: Glider was tail number CG-4A 43-27453. They flew in Formation Position #52 (last place) in Mission Detroit Serial 28 from Ramsbury Airfield taking various units of the 82nd AB to LZ 'O' on the morning of the 6th of June where the landing time was approximately 0407. The C-47 tow aircraft was 42-100803 1st Lt Jack Lawson - Pilot 2nd Lt Donald Handegaard - Co-Pilot T/Sgt Henry Maranz - Crew Chief Sgt Charles Kittle - Radio Operator Thanks again Jonesy, for the research and assistance, and I really like your Face Book page Honoring 9th Troop Carrier Command. https://www.facebook.com/IXtroopcarriercommand Awesome picts and info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devincu Posted August 22, 2015 Share #34 Posted August 22, 2015 Here are some other uniform details. I don't recognize the ribbon with oak leaf cluster. The ribbon is a Presidential Unit Citation Ribbon with Oak Leaf Cluster. Devin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROBS Posted August 23, 2015 Share #35 Posted August 23, 2015 Who made the khaki jacket? Are the ribbons pinback or clutchback? Ike jacket is likely from training I would think. It's awesome you are finding out so much more information. -Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manayunkman Posted August 23, 2015 Share #36 Posted August 23, 2015 WOW! Did you get it yet ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesy1275 Posted August 23, 2015 Share #37 Posted August 23, 2015 Mark, you're welcome. Luckily I've been researching the 437th TCG for some time due to the group being stationed at Ramsbury Airfield only 18 miles from my house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedStateRanger Posted August 23, 2015 Author Share #38 Posted August 23, 2015 Who made the khaki jacket? Are the ribbons pinback or clutchback? Ike jacket is likely from training I would think. It's awesome you are finding out so much more information. -Brian Will see what I can find out about the uniform maker and ribbons. I overlooked that in the excitement of taking the pictures? Finding out more each day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedStateRanger Posted August 23, 2015 Author Share #39 Posted August 23, 2015 Mark, you're welcome. Luckily I've been researching the 437th TCG for some time due to the group being stationed at Ramsbury Airfield only 18 miles from my house. Neil, The pilot and his family visited Ramsbury in the mid 80's. Spoke very fondly of the people there and it brought back some great memories. I'm told that one of the sons captured 10 hours of HD video recording of his Dad's oral history of the war including the missions flown from Ramsbury. Haven't seen that video yet but may include Ramsbury footage. Also looking online for a copy of Ramsbury at War which is said to have some great picts. That video might be of interest to others so I'm hoping to get a copy. Cheers, Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedStateRanger Posted August 23, 2015 Author Share #40 Posted August 23, 2015 WOW! Did you get it yet ? Haven't made an offer yet. Still several footlockers of gear and materials. Trying to help family to create an inventory but, the "grouping" is currently ungrouped and resides in several States. May be a long term project so I hope to keep learning and posting more each week. From what I can tell this grouping probably belongs in a real museum somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonesy1275 Posted August 23, 2015 Share #41 Posted August 23, 2015 Ramsbury at war by Roger Day is now out of print. It's a great book if you can find a copy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedStateRanger Posted August 23, 2015 Author Share #42 Posted August 23, 2015 Who made the khaki jacket? Are the ribbons pinback or clutchback? Ike jacket is likely from training I would think. It's awesome you are finding out so much more information. -Brian Brian Here are additional picts of the label and how ribbons, lapel insignia, and Lt bars are attached. Need to add posts to load picts. Coat tailor made in Louisville, KY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedStateRanger Posted August 23, 2015 Author Share #43 Posted August 23, 2015 Who made the khaki jacket? Are the ribbons pinback or clutchback? Ike jacket is likely from training I would think. It's awesome you are finding out so much more information. -Brian Ribbon bar and Lt bars are both pin backs. The lapel insignia are clutch back. BTW, Rodes opened in 1914 and is still in business in Louisiville, though at a new location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchcollector Posted August 24, 2015 Share #44 Posted August 24, 2015 Wow,stunning stuff!I must say that those guys had great foresight to save the star and the chunk of tow rope and attachment hook that was on the glider when it landed! And for the star being returned back to him years later is almost miraculous.If there were'nt so much documentation I would think that this was made up!This historical group would surely interest some prestigious Museums! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gliderman1 Posted September 3, 2015 Share #45 Posted September 3, 2015 CG-4A 43-27453 NW was a 1943 contract article likely delivered in very early 1944. Therefore, NW delivered it with Star and Bars insignia NOT just the star. So, the farmer omitted or cut off the bars. How does this affect the value? How about putting up a close-up photo of the tow line and fittings? And, measure the diameter of the line. Any reason this man's name is a secret? CDay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doinworkinvans Posted September 3, 2015 Share #46 Posted September 3, 2015 Any reason this man's name is a secret? CDay I beleive he is working with the family, and out of respect, he may not want to post it. Also, posting names can be a double edge sword. I am sure we will find out more soon enough. Obviously, A rock solid group, so at this point name isnt all that important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baker502 Posted September 3, 2015 Share #47 Posted September 3, 2015 The color bar is a British formation tab, look at Heros in our midst by forum member Jack Angolia, there is a section on the glider pilots and this type of tab. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gliderman1 Posted September 3, 2015 Share #48 Posted September 3, 2015 OK, on name. Would still like to see an image of the line and fittings and verification that the bars are not attached to the star. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROBS Posted September 3, 2015 Share #49 Posted September 3, 2015 there is a picture of the star in this thread? can you not see it? he said he doesn't have most of this stuff in hand yet so I don't think he has pics of the rope yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gliderman1 Posted September 3, 2015 Share #50 Posted September 3, 2015 Brobs, the question is, are the bars on the star. The bars do not show, yet, on one side it appears the bar may be folded under. On the opposite side there is something vertical that is not the same shade blue as is the star and does not look like the bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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