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Thank you for showing that info! I always thought the wreath logo was later than that!

 

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No problem, and this kind of research is one of my strongest motivators for continuing to collect. As for the trademark, I was frankly surprised too. At this time I don't think Gemsco was marking much, if any, of their insignia. Looking at post WWI Gemsco naval wings and, what I believe are early Gemsco submarine dolphins, none of them are hallmarked. The fact that they state that they only supply dealers might be a good indication as to why. Maybe the Gemsco wreath graced paperwork and cards that held insignia long before it became a metal hallmark.

 

One of the most striking things about this is that almost no one on the internet got the actual company name right. It's amazing the history we've lost in such a short amount of time.

 

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For additional historic background on GEMSCO, the "American Hatter" issue of May 1922 noted the following: GEMSCO is the successor to Walter Reib at 212 East 12th Street as manufacturers of emblems and military equipment. Sarge Booker posted an earlier catalog from Walter Reib here: http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/36086-1919-walter-rieb-army-chevrons-list-number-11/


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Mean ACID TEST that badges made with gold ?


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gold plated.

 

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Here are six different hallmark designs by GEMSCO on parachute badges. My favorite is the upper left with the reverse arch design. I know that there are several more besides these including AGO G2 and G22 that were used by GEMSCO.

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WANTED- Sterling hallmarked US Army Parachutist Jump wings:       WANTED -Combat Infantryman Badges (CIB):

Bell Trading Post Master (with star in wreath)                                        F.W. Assmann Germany full size CIB marked 191

12C Coro Senior clutchback (with star).                                                   CREST CRAFT Sterling EIB & CIB

CrestCraft 14C Master w/bubble canopy CB.                                          Denmark’s Sterling 2nd Award D22

Emblem Supply 1E Senior pinback                                                            Wilbur Kiff Co Attleboro Ma. Sterling

GP General Products Master CB                                                                D&H Manufacturing, provenance RI

Military Post Supply M21/MPS-21 Senior CB                                          C.P. Company NYC 1P C. Polk New York Sterling

Robbins Senior pinback                                                                               Gemsco Sterling 3rd award

Robbins Attleboro Mass. Basic pinback                                                   Simon Sterling 3rd Award

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Posting my LTC rank insignia marked Gemsco NY, AGO G2

 

 

 

 

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Does anyone know if GEMSCO is still operating? I live near New York City and I wanted to see if they have an archives that could provide information about some patches they made in the 1950s early 1960s.

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I believe they went out of business in 1992.

 

Try this link: http://www.trademarkia.com/map/gemsco-71565485.htm

 

It shows approximately where they were back then. Also, here's a somewhat dated TESS trademark sheet on them.

 

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Submarine Engineering Duty Officer (2nd type), circa 1953; GEMSCO A.G.O. G-2

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Here is an uncommon GEMSCO hallmarked basic parachute badge with the additional marking USMC SER 298. This production run was done for the US Marine Corps. Also shown is the GEMSCO hallmark and STERLING. This is a post WWII period badge most likely from the mid- 1950's to early 1960 time frame.

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WANTED- Sterling hallmarked US Army Parachutist Jump wings:       WANTED -Combat Infantryman Badges (CIB):

Bell Trading Post Master (with star in wreath)                                        F.W. Assmann Germany full size CIB marked 191

12C Coro Senior clutchback (with star).                                                   CREST CRAFT Sterling EIB & CIB

CrestCraft 14C Master w/bubble canopy CB.                                          Denmark’s Sterling 2nd Award D22

Emblem Supply 1E Senior pinback                                                            Wilbur Kiff Co Attleboro Ma. Sterling

GP General Products Master CB                                                                D&H Manufacturing, provenance RI

Military Post Supply M21/MPS-21 Senior CB                                          C.P. Company NYC 1P C. Polk New York Sterling

Robbins Senior pinback                                                                               Gemsco Sterling 3rd award

Robbins Attleboro Mass. Basic pinback                                                   Simon Sterling 3rd Award

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No problem, and this kind of research is one of my strongest motivators for continuing to collect. As for the trademark, I was frankly surprised too. At this time I don't think Gemsco was marking much, if any, of their insignia. Looking at post WWI Gemsco naval wings and, what I believe are early Gemsco submarine dolphins, none of them are hallmarked. The fact that they state that they only supply dealers might be a good indication as to why. Maybe the Gemsco wreath graced paperwork and cards that held insignia long before it became a metal hallmark.

 

One of the most striking things about this is that almost no one on the internet got the actual company name right. It's amazing the history we've lost in such a short amount of time.

 

Josh

 

Here's a WWI era unpierced full size Naval Aviator badge with early Gemsco wreath hallmark...

 

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Here's a WWI era unpierced full size Naval Aviator badge with early Gemsco wreath hallmark...

 

 

Scarce find! One of my predictions from my quoted post did come true; I've since added an earlier production GEMSCO mini dolphin on the original store card. The card has the wreath logo, but the insignia are unmarked.

 

From your experience collecting wings, how often do you find these early WWI to early post WWI era Aviator wings with hallmark vs the same pattern lacking the mark? I'd have to guess the vast majority are unmarked?

 

 


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Submarine Engineering Duty Officer (2nd type), circa 1953; GEMSCO A.G.O. G-2

 

Does anyone have information on when (What period) GEMSCO used the AGO G2 markings? I have read on this Forum that it was used as far back as the early 1950's. Then there are others that say it first used in 1960 along with other two digit manufacturers codes. Also does anyone positively know what AGO means? Is is Army General Order or Adjutant General's Office or something else? To narrow it down, it does seem plausible that AGO G2 is a post WWII hallmark, but when did it first appear and for how long? Thanks for your input.


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WANTED- Sterling hallmarked US Army Parachutist Jump wings:       WANTED -Combat Infantryman Badges (CIB):

Bell Trading Post Master (with star in wreath)                                        F.W. Assmann Germany full size CIB marked 191

12C Coro Senior clutchback (with star).                                                   CREST CRAFT Sterling EIB & CIB

CrestCraft 14C Master w/bubble canopy CB.                                          Denmark’s Sterling 2nd Award D22

Emblem Supply 1E Senior pinback                                                            Wilbur Kiff Co Attleboro Ma. Sterling

GP General Products Master CB                                                                D&H Manufacturing, provenance RI

Military Post Supply M21/MPS-21 Senior CB                                          C.P. Company NYC 1P C. Polk New York Sterling

Robbins Senior pinback                                                                               Gemsco Sterling 3rd award

Robbins Attleboro Mass. Basic pinback                                                   Simon Sterling 3rd Award

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I picked up this 143rd Infantry Bn DUi today. It has the GEMSCO wreath logo on the back...

 

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Hello,

 

Here is something a little bit differen,t about GEMSCO Hallmark : I present you a collapsible bucket from GEMSCO.

According to my researches, this type of bucket / pail was produced at the very beginning of the 20th century, and as GEMSCO is a Military Supplier, I'd say that this bucket was used in WWI (vehicle ?).

 

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Vertol

 

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Just got this in. It is unusual, at least to me. It is a GEMSCO STERLING basic jump wing with the early hallmark and is clutchback. The posts are original (1/4 inch short posts) and the clutches are flat sterling. This may be a WWII or just after WWII example. All the GEMSCO wings with this style marking that I have encountered have been pin back and there are several varieties of pin backs as previously noted.

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WANTED- Sterling hallmarked US Army Parachutist Jump wings:       WANTED -Combat Infantryman Badges (CIB):

Bell Trading Post Master (with star in wreath)                                        F.W. Assmann Germany full size CIB marked 191

12C Coro Senior clutchback (with star).                                                   CREST CRAFT Sterling EIB & CIB

CrestCraft 14C Master w/bubble canopy CB.                                          Denmark’s Sterling 2nd Award D22

Emblem Supply 1E Senior pinback                                                            Wilbur Kiff Co Attleboro Ma. Sterling

GP General Products Master CB                                                                D&H Manufacturing, provenance RI

Military Post Supply M21/MPS-21 Senior CB                                          C.P. Company NYC 1P C. Polk New York Sterling

Robbins Senior pinback                                                                               Gemsco Sterling 3rd award

Robbins Attleboro Mass. Basic pinback                                                   Simon Sterling 3rd Award

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Here is yet another example of GEMSCO's variety of hallmarks. This parachute badge is double stamped and also has the GEMSCO AGO G2 markings. I never got a definitive answer as to what 'AGO G2' might mean except it was used after WWII. Was it for Adjutant General's Office or Adjutant General Order? Anyone?

G2 was for GEMSCO as we know. GEMSCO insignia are most interesting.

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WANTED- Sterling hallmarked US Army Parachutist Jump wings:       WANTED -Combat Infantryman Badges (CIB):

Bell Trading Post Master (with star in wreath)                                        F.W. Assmann Germany full size CIB marked 191

12C Coro Senior clutchback (with star).                                                   CREST CRAFT Sterling EIB & CIB

CrestCraft 14C Master w/bubble canopy CB.                                          Denmark’s Sterling 2nd Award D22

Emblem Supply 1E Senior pinback                                                            Wilbur Kiff Co Attleboro Ma. Sterling

GP General Products Master CB                                                                D&H Manufacturing, provenance RI

Military Post Supply M21/MPS-21 Senior CB                                          C.P. Company NYC 1P C. Polk New York Sterling

Robbins Senior pinback                                                                               Gemsco Sterling 3rd award

Robbins Attleboro Mass. Basic pinback                                                   Simon Sterling 3rd Award

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Here's my sterling GEMSCO marked USMC rifle expert award with the A.G.O. G2 mark, this shows that the mark was used at least until 1958/60 when the rifle expert award with the Garands came into being.

 

The two parts to the award already have the normal 'GEMSCO' and 'sterling' hallmarks, the significance of the third mark 'GEMSCO A.G.O. G2' is still unknown, but I'm thinking that it may be an in-house GEMSCO mark of some kind.

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Is it correct that the 'G2' of the IOH system is 1960-1965? The significance of 'A.G.O.' is still unknown, I'm thinking that 'A.G.O.' may be an in-house GEMSCO mark of some kind?


Interested in US Naval and Marine aviation history, aircrew wings & insignia.

WW2 US Navy and Marine Grumman Wildcat, Avenger & Douglas SBD aircraft.

Also interested in US 5th AF in Australia.


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From everything I have been able to find out about GEMSCO, you are correct G2 was their IOH hallmark in the period 1960-1965. After that and until they went out of business GEMSCO used the IOH alpha numeric G22. I have only seen speculation as to what AGO stands for. Since no other manufacturer used AGO then it could well be a designation that only GEMSCO used. It seems to me that the AGO marking is only seen on Post WWII and pre-1960 badges, primarily the 1950's. My comments are from handling quite a few GEMSCO badges and they are one of my favorite manufacturers. If anyone has more definitive information about GEMSCO, please chime in.


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WANTED- Sterling hallmarked US Army Parachutist Jump wings:       WANTED -Combat Infantryman Badges (CIB):

Bell Trading Post Master (with star in wreath)                                        F.W. Assmann Germany full size CIB marked 191

12C Coro Senior clutchback (with star).                                                   CREST CRAFT Sterling EIB & CIB

CrestCraft 14C Master w/bubble canopy CB.                                          Denmark’s Sterling 2nd Award D22

Emblem Supply 1E Senior pinback                                                            Wilbur Kiff Co Attleboro Ma. Sterling

GP General Products Master CB                                                                D&H Manufacturing, provenance RI

Military Post Supply M21/MPS-21 Senior CB                                          C.P. Company NYC 1P C. Polk New York Sterling

Robbins Senior pinback                                                                               Gemsco Sterling 3rd award

Robbins Attleboro Mass. Basic pinback                                                   Simon Sterling 3rd Award

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Hi,

 

I picked up another GEMSCO A.G.O. G-2 marked item, this time a USN aviator's wing.... still thinking it's an in house designation... If the G-2 mark was used 1960-1965 how are the first items posted in #23 thread circa 1947 - early 1950's?

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Interested in US Naval and Marine aviation history, aircrew wings & insignia.

WW2 US Navy and Marine Grumman Wildcat, Avenger & Douglas SBD aircraft.

Also interested in US 5th AF in Australia.


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As evidenced by the photo below, AGO was also used by IRA GREEN NY, so AGO was not unique to GEMSCO. There is still an open question about what the letters A.G.O. meant.

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WANTED- Sterling hallmarked US Army Parachutist Jump wings:       WANTED -Combat Infantryman Badges (CIB):

Bell Trading Post Master (with star in wreath)                                        F.W. Assmann Germany full size CIB marked 191

12C Coro Senior clutchback (with star).                                                   CREST CRAFT Sterling EIB & CIB

CrestCraft 14C Master w/bubble canopy CB.                                          Denmark’s Sterling 2nd Award D22

Emblem Supply 1E Senior pinback                                                            Wilbur Kiff Co Attleboro Ma. Sterling

GP General Products Master CB                                                                D&H Manufacturing, provenance RI

Military Post Supply M21/MPS-21 Senior CB                                          C.P. Company NYC 1P C. Polk New York Sterling

Robbins Senior pinback                                                                               Gemsco Sterling 3rd award

Robbins Attleboro Mass. Basic pinback                                                   Simon Sterling 3rd Award

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