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49 minutes ago, Sgt127 said:

I’m sorry. “9”. 
 

Stamped 9 is top picture. 
 

M131A bottom picture. 

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The one with the M is a 50's era McCord helmet. The other one is guess is Parish from the 60's also note there is more to the stamp which and be seen in front for sure and possibly behind the 9

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4/9/2015 tarihinde 11:19 AM, WW2JAKE şunları söyledi:

İkinci Dünya Savaşı sonrası ortası (tam üretim yıllarının ortası.)
M ve sonra 3 ila 4 sayı, sonra 2. Ingersoll- 1966- 1968 lot olarak kabul edildi, 4 değişkenda 1-76 1-76 1 9876 I- 9876 ben 9876
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Hello, I have a helmet produced by the American mc cord, which the Turkish armed forces most likely used in the Korean war, I was able to reach this pure beauty after removing 9 layers of paint (Turkish armed forces used the m1 helmet until the end of the 90s)[Sory bad english/google translate] If you don't mind, can I get more information (year of manufacture) about the helmet and the stamp?

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41 minutes ago, gewehr43 said:

Hello, I have a helmet produced by the American mc cord, which the Turkish armed forces most likely used in the Korean war, I was able to reach this pure beauty after removing 9 layers of paint (Turkish armed forces used the m1 helmet until the end of the 90s)[Sory bad english/google translate] If you don't mind, can I get more information (year of manufacture) about the helmet and the stamp?

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Based on the lot number it is from McCord's 1950's run. Exact year is nearly impossible to say.

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Mikeym_us

I have a High dome M1 with the numbers 6761 large type what manufacturer did that? And it came with a 1962 dated Firestone P55 liner as well. And I used pencil lead to help the numbers stand out for the picture.IMG_1376.JPG.f41c3b109f9e8ed647bb89a78806d1e4.JPG

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On 2/6/2022 at 7:02 PM, gewehr43 said:

Hello, I have a helmet produced by the American mc cord, which the Turkish armed forces most likely used in the Korean war, I was able to reach this pure beauty after removing 9 layers of paint (Turkish armed forces used the m1 helmet until the end of the 90s)[Sory bad english/google translate] If you don't mind, can I get more information (year of manufacture) about the helmet and the stamp?

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It is a McCord shell. Lot M-170A is from their December 1952 contract, roughly 1/3 though the contract. Therefore, it is from something like March/April 1953.

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1 hour ago, Mikeym_us said:

I have a High dome M1 with the numbers 6761 large type what manufacturer did that? And it came with a 1962 dated Firestone P55 liner as well. And I used pencil lead to help the numbers stand out for the picture.IMG_1376.JPG.f41c3b109f9e8ed647bb89a78806d1e4.JPG

 

It is an R. J. Stampings shell, from the Sainte-Anne-des-Plaines plant (R. J. Stampings plant No. 2). I believe this is at the near end of the October 1973 contract, so the shell is roughly from June/July 1974. Like to see more images of this shell, loops, seam, overall inside and outside.

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32 minutes ago, twthmoses said:

 

It is an R. J. Stampings shell, from the Sainte-Anne-des-Plaines plant (R. J. Stampings plant No. 2). I believe this is at the near end of the October 1973 contract, so the shell is roughly from June/July 1974. Like to see more images of this shell, loops, seam, overall inside and outside.

Here is the helmet along with a 1951 McCord for height comparison. I have a R.J. Stampings helmet shell and it doesn't look like this one the bales and hinges on that shell are larger than the ones on this one I photographed. Oh and the old Olive Drab paint is starting to show through on this one.

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32 minutes ago, Mikeym_us said:

Here is the helmet along with a 1951 McCord for height comparison. I have a R.J. Stampings helmet shell and it doesn't look like this one the bales and hinges on that shell are larger than the ones on this one I photographed. Oh and the old Olive Drab paint is starting to show through on this one.

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Really need to see the lot stamp, loops and seam up close to make an accurate assessment of one or the other R.J Stampings shell. The 6761 stamp you have is an R. J. Stampings shell made at R. J. Stampings plant No 2 at Sainte-Anne-des-Plaines, Quebec. You might have another R. J. Stampings shell from the R. J. Stampings plant No 5 at Smiths Falls, Ontario. They look slightly different and uses another stamp. They are made from august 1981 to April 1982.

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here are the closeups And there is a grand total of 12 dimples on the rim 4 total on the rear seam alone.

 

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On 3/4/2022 at 10:36 PM, Mikeym_us said:

here are the closeups And there is a grand total of 12 dimples on the rim 4 total on the rear seam alone.

 

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Very nice, and thanks for the good images. Can only repeat, that this is an R. J. Stampings shell produced at the Sainte-Anne-des-Plaines plant in Quebec, roughly in mid-1974. These large font 4-number stamps do not seem come up that often, despite around 2.5 mill of them was manufactured. The smaller 3-number stamps seem to come up more frequent but only about 650.000 of these was produced.

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Mikeym_us
On 3/6/2022 at 11:03 AM, twthmoses said:

Very nice, and thanks for the good images. Can only repeat, that this is an R. J. Stampings shell produced at the Sainte-Anne-des-Plaines plant in Quebec, roughly in mid-1974. These large font 4-number stamps do not seem come up that often, despite around 2.5 mill of them was manufactured. The smaller 3-number stamps seem to come up more frequent but only about 650.000 of these was produced.

 I don't know if you ever saw that I wrote that this is a High dome helmet.   R.J. Stampings only did the M1964 Low dome helmets and In my picture of the exterior there is 10 Y Munsel paint clearly evident showing through the Pea Green paint and if you look at the rim of the same photo you will see a paint chipped rim painted over by the pea green paint which means this helmet was made before 1974 as 10 Y Munsel was phased out 6 (1968) years before R.J. Stampings got the contract to make M1 shells and would have been using the current paint color. There was a US manufacturer who did use large numbers for the heat lot stamps I believe it was either Reyes or Reese. And I do own a R.J. Stampings Low Dome helmet that was issued and still retains the silver duct tape on the bales.

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16 hours ago, Mikeym_us said:

 I don't know if you ever saw that I wrote that this is a High dome helmet.   R.J. Stampings only did the M1964 Low dome helmets and In my picture of the exterior there is 10 Y Munsel paint clearly evident showing through the Pea Green paint and if you look at the rim of the same photo you will see a paint chipped rim painted over by the pea green paint which means this helmet was made before 1974 as 10 Y Munsel was phased out 6 (1968) years before R.J. Stampings got the contract to make M1 shells and would have been using the current paint color. There was a US manufacturer who did use large numbers for the heat lot stamps I believe it was either Reyes or Reese. And I do own a R.J. Stampings Low Dome helmet that was issued and still retains the silver duct tape on the bales.

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I did read you. I do not know any M1 shell produces named Reyes or Reese, but very interesting. You mention the silver duct tape on the loops. Indeed a R. J. Stampings shell. Will have a stamp of three numbers. It was made at R.J Stampings Plant No. 5 at Smiths Falls, Ontario between august 1981 and April 1982. This shell you show here is also an R.J Stampings shell, but it was made at R.J Stampings Plant No. 5 at Sainte-Anne-des-Plaines, Quebec, from April 1970 to august 1977, yours being around mid-1974. The Smiths Falls plant was a new plant that opened in September 1979. Using new machines, tools, die’s and employees, their shells will look slightly different from the old Stampings shells.

 

Colors is one thing I normally refrain from comment on. It is a tricky business. The digital transmission from one person to another adds a multitude of error possibilities. The camera one uses to take the image, the environment when you take the image, the digital image format, and the LCD used to watch it. Add to this that no two persons sees colors equal. In order to use the Munsell color charts, all the info need to be included. Munsell 10YR is not enough. 10YR is a plate of colors. You also need how light and dark it is and how weak and strong, like, Munsell 10YR 3/3 – which I believe is the color M1 helmets was supposed to be painted in since 1968 to the end when R. J Stampings finished the very last DSA contract in April 1982. Whether they were, I could not say. I imagine any number of nuances came out.

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On 2/6/2022 at 1:45 PM, WW2JAKE said:

Based on the lot number it is from McCord's 1950's run. Exact year is nearly impossible to say.

With that being the A lift I would probably say 1950 at the earliest.

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4 hours ago, twthmoses said:

I did read you. I do not know any M1 shell produces named Reyes or Reese, but very interesting. You mention the silver duct tape on the loops. Indeed a R. J. Stampings shell. Will have a stamp of three numbers. It was made at R.J Stampings Plant No. 5 at Smiths Falls, Ontario between august 1981 and April 1982. This shell you show here is also an R.J Stampings shell, but it was made at R.J Stampings Plant No. 5 at Sainte-Anne-des-Plaines, Quebec, from April 1970 to august 1977, yours being around mid-1974. The Smiths Falls plant was a new plant that opened in September 1979. Using new machines, tools, die’s and employees, their shells will look slightly different from the old Stampings shells.

 

Colors is one thing I normally refrain from comment on. It is a tricky business. The digital transmission from one person to another adds a multitude of error possibilities. The camera one uses to take the image, the environment when you take the image, the digital image format, and the LCD used to watch it. Add to this that no two persons sees colors equal. In order to use the Munsell color charts, all the info need to be included. Munsell 10YR is not enough. 10YR is a plate of colors. You also need how light and dark it is and how weak and strong, like, Munsell 10YR 3/3 – which I believe is the color M1 helmets was supposed to be painted in since 1968 to the end when R. J Stampings finished the very last DSA contract in April 1982. Whether they were, I could not say. I imagine any number of nuances came out.

Then mine must be a rare R.J. Stampings M1950 pattern M1 shell because the liners of my WWII McCord Front seam swivel bail and my McCord rear seam swivel bail from 1951 all fit in it. I can't even get a P64 liner to fit in it.

 

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Hello again, this time I will ask for an estimated time help for my friend's m1 helmet, what period do you think it belongs to (as far as we can read, it says M97C)

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2 hours ago, gewehr43 said:

Hello again, this time I will ask for an estimated time help for my friend's m1 helmet, what period do you think it belongs to (as far as we can read, it says M97C)

 

 

From here it looks like 1197C, which would be late WWII production, but post WWII use based on the repaint(s) and replaced chinstraps

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Patrickflan

 I have a fixed bail mccord with a heat stamp of 04B can someone help me date this. 15607702-93CB-4FBE-9BDB-E70F161D9F41.jpeg.d6fc208d1fd886dfe858f50108e4a610.jpegthank you 

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3 hours ago, Patrickflan said:

 I have a fixed bail mccord with a heat stamp of 04B can someone help me date this. 15607702-93CB-4FBE-9BDB-E70F161D9F41.jpeg.d6fc208d1fd886dfe858f50108e4a610.jpegthank you 

 

It's likely that there's a 3rd number in the heat stamp that didn't get struck well. Don't scratch at the paint to try to reveal it more, but posting more pictures of the helmet would be helpful. The US reused helmets until they were unfit for service, so looking at the heat stamp can give you an idea of when it was produced but nothing beyond that. The whole picture needs to be taken into consideration to try to put a date on a helmet and even then it's often just a somewhat educated guess.

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This is the helmet , it’s hard to get a picture of the stamp but with my eyes and flashlight , there is no third number. Just the 04b. it is a fixed never altered to swivel.  

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