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How was the Wheaton show? Have wanted to go but never works out.


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It was a decent show, lots of good quality items and all the tables were full but of course some of it was priced high. But of course we all know prices become flexible when serious dealing. I had a good show as I bought the Krag and also sold three guns, Ray


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It was a decent show, lots of good quality items and all the tables were full but of course some of it was priced high. But of course we all know prices become flexible when serious dealing. I had a good show as I bought the Krag and also sold three guns, Ray

Thanks Ray.

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Can someone tell me about this unusual 1903 rifle sling!

It's the same length and configuration as the standard M1907 sling having two brass double hooks but it's stamped in twoplaces on each end, "Rock Island Arsenal" 1905.

I had it for a number of years and I remember when I bought it, the seller said it was an early sling dated 1907 but I only glanced at it taking his word and had put it on one of my early 1903's were it sat since buying it and only looked closer at it the other day and saw the actual date. Ray

 

Is it an experimental/trials sling, early made 07 sling or what? I can't find anything on it? The brass fasteners look to be earlier Krag/TD style having slight bevels on the sides and the pins ground flush. I seem to remember seeing another early sling dated 1905 but it had only one fastener. Possibly they were early 1903 RB rifle slings before they went to two fasteners or else they were later Krag slings.

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In regard to the Rock Island sling, here is some more info about it. I had tried measuring the sling length while it was on the rifle but it was kind of difficult to get a good reading. But seeing it side by side with the regular 07 sling I see the length is not the same as a regular 1907 sling and appears to be about "2" shorter and it has a 24 holes in the longer section as opposed to only 16 on the 07 sling. and it has a different pattern of holes.

As there are no obsolete slings with that same number and pattern of holes as this sling and even if you used the sections of older slings, like from the Krag/TD slings, why were'nt the same number and the pattern of holes as the specs call for in the1907 sling added? Because of the extra amount and the pattern of the holes and their location and the fact that the sling is shorter then the 1907 sling, and especially it has the Rock Island Arsenal and the date stamp twice on each end of the sling to indicate Arsenal approval instead of just once like normally stamped on slings. I feel all these factors add creditability that it is probably a Trials/prototype 1907 sling and intentionally designed/made the way it is.

Here's some photos to show the different pattern of the holes, Ray

 

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My opinion is, that in as much as there are no obsolete slings having the same number and pattern of holes as this sling has. Even if sections of older slings, like from the Krag/TD slings which have a plain length with no holes that could be used, the question remains, why weren't the same number and the same pattern of holes stamped in those sections according to the 1907 specs?

Also the sling is about 2" shorter then the 07 sling as well as the extra holes, also the sling has a different more squared off cut on the end instead of a more rounded end cut. And then there's the double RI and date stamps on the sling whereas the 07 sling has only one stamp. So in light of these factors I feel it is a completely different pattern sling and is most likely a prototype/trials sling which was made by adding an additional claw fastener, the 1903 sling had only one fastener, and adding additional holes. Eventually the holes were reduced and the length increased slightly, and it became the 1907 pattern sling. Ray


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Getting back to this sling as it seems interesting. It's been mentioned that the sling may have been made from two earlier slings put together. The only problem I see with combining other slings to make it, is that the sling is 2" shorter overall then a standard 07 sling and the longer length section has 24 sets of holes as opposed to 16 holes on the 07 sling. No other earlier sling I can think of has that many holes. The TD/Krag slings have only 18-19 sets of holes total, musket slings less also. It seems that the sling maybe was originally designed the way it is with the extra number of holes or why else would they add that many more holes? In fact not sure why they would need that many holes. Also being 2" shorter. I still lean to a trials/prototype sling Ray


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Well Richard Turner, of Turner Saddlery, who makes excellent quality slings and other leather products. cleared up the question on the sling. He said it "is" one of the 1907 slings that the arsenal made up using sections of older 1903/Krag/ and Trapdoor slings. He explained that it is one of the first M1907 Slings made up from two M1905 Slings. What they did at Rock Island Arsenal was take the earlier slings and chop the best section, utilizing the existing holes. You have to keep in mind that saddlers at the various commands were also authorized to make these modifications, turning earlier slings into the new M1907, so there will be variations.


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As mentioned before, I need to down size my collection so I brought some of my CW items down to Florida to my winter home and will be bringing some of it to the Military/antique show in Fort Myers Florida on the 1st an 2nd of April to sell. That has always been a favorite show for me in the past for buying stuff so now I'll see how it does for selling, If you are there, stop over at my table and say hello. Ray


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Oops the dates are April 2nd and 3rd. Sat & Sun, Ray


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Well sold a lot of the CW items at the Ft Myer show and I went back north and went right away to the Ohio CW show. Sold the table off except for two small items. I had brought about a dozen big ticket items including the Federal frock coat, the original issue trousers, (the sale for them is pending). Also sold the two complete Buff sword belts and with straps, holster, haversack, and other items. It was a good show for me in helping to move the CW items. Priced them low to sell but still came out ok overall with the prices.

 

I feel sad to have had to dispose of those CW items but it was necessary in order to move to a smaller home.

 

However, couldn't resist in picking up one small item which was a Paratrooper rifle jump case. earlier a about half dozen pages back I had shown photos of one I picked up that was in an original box but the hook had been cut off. Sold it because I was not happy with it because of the missing hook. The new one is also in unused condt and dated 1944. Ray

 

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Hey Ray any new additions to your collection lately?


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I have been selling off the collection as I hit my 80th birthday...About 80% sold so far. Didn't want to leave the wife with trying to dispose of it,. There comes a time for everything!. Ray


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Wow Ray its amazing how fast time fly's by it seems like you made this post yesterday, Happy 80th Bday I always enjoyed your posts my friend..


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Thank you. I enjoyed collecting the items and showing them here, Ray


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