WW2JAKE Posted February 15, 2015 Share #1 Posted February 15, 2015 i did a run for a member today for patches and I took what was left after i got their patches, this is what was left some i know some i dont but here you gothe 310th and Tactical Air command patches are great because those are on my dads unifroms but anyone know what the larger TAC patch is for? Then there is a 58th Tactical Fighter Training Wing which is what the 58th EMS turned into which was my dads squadron... I believe the ARRS is the variation after it changed name in 1966? but im not sure, the rest im not overly familiar with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantomf4 Posted February 15, 2015 Share #2 Posted February 15, 2015 The larger TAC AF patch is probably emb on twill, it's a Vietnam or earlier era patch. they went to the smaller size later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WW2JAKE Posted February 15, 2015 Author Share #3 Posted February 15, 2015 The larger TAC AF patch is probably emb on twill, it's a Vietnam or earlier era patch. they went to the smaller size later. would closer pictures help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantomf4 Posted February 15, 2015 Share #4 Posted February 15, 2015 sure, but if the blue is twill then it's probably an earlier version of the patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchcollector Posted February 15, 2015 Share #5 Posted February 15, 2015 I have some of the larger TAC patches and believe that,like PhantomF4 states,the bigger ones are earlier.I think that it's a "general" rule that the larger AF patches are earlier versions. Of course,there are always exceptions to the rules! The "Aerospace" Rescue patch is,I believe,the second version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WW2JAKE Posted February 15, 2015 Author Share #6 Posted February 15, 2015 sure, but if the blue is twill then it's probably an earlier version of the patch. im not very good with patches as i usually dont collect them so i dont know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WW2JAKE Posted February 15, 2015 Author Share #7 Posted February 15, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantomf4 Posted February 15, 2015 Share #8 Posted February 15, 2015 Yeah it appears to be the bigger earlier version, there not uncommon. Vietnam era and before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WW2JAKE Posted February 15, 2015 Author Share #9 Posted February 15, 2015 Yeah it appears to be the bigger earlier version, there not uncommon. Vietnam era and before. is this one earlier as well? its quite a bit bigger than my dads 310th patch (btw both his tfts and TAC patches are subdued) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WW2JAKE Posted February 15, 2015 Author Share #10 Posted February 15, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantomf4 Posted February 15, 2015 Share #11 Posted February 15, 2015 Looks like it, seems most of the earlier bigger ones are embroidered on twill with cheesecloth back. BUT not all . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattsmilitary Posted February 15, 2015 Share #12 Posted February 15, 2015 That ones real nice jake, the 310th tfts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WW2JAKE Posted February 15, 2015 Author Share #13 Posted February 15, 2015 Looks like it, seems most of the earlier bigger ones are embroidered on twill with cheesecloth back. BUT not all . thanks for the help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WW2JAKE Posted February 15, 2015 Author Share #14 Posted February 15, 2015 That ones real nice jake, the 310th tfts. thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefighter Posted February 15, 2015 Share #15 Posted February 15, 2015 I would say the Air Training Command, 58th TFTW, & 310th TFTS go together.The 58th was a TFTW from 1969-1977 and the 310th was assigned to them from 1969-1991.From 1980-1991 the 58th was assigned to the 832nd Air Division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantomf4 Posted February 15, 2015 Share #16 Posted February 15, 2015 thanks for the help! Your most welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WW2JAKE Posted February 15, 2015 Author Share #17 Posted February 15, 2015 I would say the Air Training Command, 58th TFTW, & 310th TFTS go together.The 58th was a TFTW from 1969-1977 and the 310th was assigned to them from 1969-1991.From 1980-1991 the 58th was assigned to the 832nd Air Division. thats odd, my dads fatigues that he wore in 82 have the 58th EMS and 310th TFTS which with how you said it sounds like it couldnt happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WW2JAKE Posted February 15, 2015 Author Share #18 Posted February 15, 2015 let me get some newer and clearer pictures of his fatigues because that looks really bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantomf4 Posted February 15, 2015 Share #19 Posted February 15, 2015 I don't think the 58th ems is the same as the 58th TFTW. is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WW2JAKE Posted February 15, 2015 Author Share #20 Posted February 15, 2015 Mission Statement Providing safe, quality maintenance in support of the 58th Special Operations Wing mission. Unit History Lineage: Originally constituted as the 58th Maintenance Squadron on 25 Jun 1952 and activated on 10 Jul 1952. Two years later on 8 Nov 1954, the unit became the 58th Field Maintenance Squadron. Although it inactivated on 1 Jul 1958, the Air Force reactivated it on 15 Oct 1969 and changed its name again to the 58th Equipment Maintenance Squadron on 15 Aug 1977. It was re-designated as the 58th Maintenance Squadron on 1 Oct 1991, changed back to the 58th Equipment Maintenance Squadron on 1 Jul 1992, and finally to its current name on 1 Apr 1994. Assignments: 10 Jul 1952 58th Maintenance and Supply Group 8 Nov 1957 to 1 Jul 1958 58th Fighter-Bomber Wing 15 Oct 1969 58th Tactical Fighter Wing (later, renamed as 58th Tactical Training Wing) 1 Oct 1991 to 18 Jul 2002 58th Logistics Group 18 Jul 2002 to Present 58th Maintenance Group Stations: 10 Jul 1952 Itazuke AB, Japan 1 Nov 1954 Taegu AB, South Korea 15 Mar 1955 to 1 Jul 1958 Osan-ni (later Osan) AB, South Korea 15 Oct 1969 Luke AFB, AZ 1 Apr 1994 to Present Kirtland AFB, NM Unit Awards Service Streamers: Korean Conflict: Korean Service Campaign Streamers:None Decorations: Air Force Outstanding Unit Award: 15 Oct to 31 Dec 1969 1 Jan 1971 to 31 Dec 1972 1 Jan 1975 to 31 Dec 1976 1 Jan 1978 to 31 Dec 1979 1 Aug 1982 to 31 May 1984 1 Jun 1986 to 31 May 1988 1 Jun 1989 to 31 May 1991 1 Apr 1992 to 31 Mar 1994 1 Jan 1993 to 30 Jun 1994 1 Jun 1994 to 31 Dec 1995 1 Jul 1996 to 30 Jun 1998 1 Jul 1998 to 30 Jun 2000 1 Jul 2002 to 30 Jun 2002 1 Jul 2002 to 30 Jun 2003 1 Jul 2004 to 30 Jun 20051 Jul 2006 to 30 Jun 20071 Jul 2007 to 30 Jun 2008Republic of Korea Presidential Unit Citation: 10 Jul 1952 to 31 Mar 1953 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Posted February 15, 2015 Share #21 Posted February 15, 2015 thats odd, my dads fatigues that he wore in 82 have the 58th EMS and 310th TFTS which with how you said it sounds like it couldnt happen us5.jpgus4.jpg It shouldn't happen. You can only be assigned to one squadron, not two. That is a very odd pairing on that shirt. The wing patch should be worn on the left pocket, with the squadron above the right. There were local exceptions like the missile badge worn on the left pocket and wing badge above the right, for one example. Patch placement was standardized in the late 70s in AFR 35-10. Before that, things were all over the place. Also, the smaller TAC patch showed up around 1970, along with 3" MAJCOM patches for the others. Your 310 TFTS was the F-4 era patch, shortly after the F-16 arrived they switched to an electric falcon design. Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WW2JAKE Posted February 15, 2015 Author Share #22 Posted February 15, 2015 my dad always says he has no clue why he has it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantomf4 Posted February 15, 2015 Share #23 Posted February 15, 2015 Oh I get it the 58th ems was the maintenance department of the 58th tftw. Which the 310th was a part of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WW2JAKE Posted February 15, 2015 Author Share #24 Posted February 15, 2015 http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/215257-why-would-these-patches-be-together/ i have yet to figure it out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefighter Posted February 15, 2015 Share #25 Posted February 15, 2015 The shirt is correct.As stated 58th EMS was part of the 58th TFTS as was the 310th TFTS.The 310th did not have a separate EMS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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