bayonetman Posted January 7, 2015 Share #1 Posted January 7, 2015 I have contract information from a government website, but unfortunately it does not fully describe what the item contracted for actually is and is not item specific. Some manufacturers contracted for items other than bayonets or knives, so I cannot be sure of what a specific contract was for without further information. I am asking any of you that have the packaging for bayonets or knives AFTER 1964 to list what contract numbers are shown and what the item is (M6 bayonet, m7 bayonet, which knife, etc.). With these I will try to create a database which will show the contract dates and a rough estimate of the quantity - what is shown in the Federal information is the total dollar value of the contract. If you know the maker, add that although most of the later contract labels may show only the CAGE or in some cases nothing to identify the maker. Photos of the labels would be great if you have them. Any help will be appreciated and the information will be shared. Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poch Posted January 7, 2015 Share #2 Posted January 7, 2015 Gary, I have M6 bayonet with original packing and also my friend has one. I will send you photo via e-mail. Pavel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorin6 Posted January 7, 2015 Share #3 Posted January 7, 2015 Gary, Are you also interested in the M8A1 scabbards (or any other bayonet scabbard)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bayonetman Posted January 7, 2015 Author Share #4 Posted January 7, 2015 Scabbards, knives, bayonets, anything blade related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKIPH Posted January 7, 2015 Share #5 Posted January 7, 2015 Gary, have only a couple but I'll get it started. This is an Imperial M6. SKIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKIPH Posted January 7, 2015 Share #6 Posted January 7, 2015 Gary- Here's the other. Ontario M-7 Bayonet. SKIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bayonetman Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share #7 Posted January 10, 2015 Thanks Skip: Your second one is shown as: Supplier: Ontario Knife Co. Inc. Franklinville NY Contractor Code: 2V376 Contract Number: DAAE2003P0449 Contracting Agency: Army (Includes other Defense Agencies) Federal Supply Class: 1095 Claimant Program: Misc. Weapons Bayonet-Knife, M7 Kind of Procurement: Order Under Indefinite Delivery Contract (IDC) Type of Contract: Firm - Fixed Price Date of Action: August 2003 Estimated Completion: November 2004 Dollar Value: 32,874 The Indefinite Delivery Contract indicates that a contract was issued for a longer period of time, and orders could be placed on an "as needed" basis. The dates shown cover the entire contract, the dollar value covers the amount ordered at this time. Still have not found how much each they were paying to figure out how many were covered by this particular order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKIPH Posted January 10, 2015 Share #8 Posted January 10, 2015 Gary- That's a lot of information gleaned from that data. Informative. Didn't realize the military was requesting M-7 bayonets into the 21st century. Always thought that ended in the 80s after the M9 was adopted. Thanks SKIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bayonetman Posted January 10, 2015 Author Share #9 Posted January 10, 2015 And your M6 Supplier: Imperial Knife Associated Co. provenance, RI Contractor Code: 485880 Contract Number: A0AF037C0067 Contracting Agency: Army Federal Supply Class: 1005 Claimant Program: Weapons Program Bayonet-Knife M6 Kind of Procurement: DEFINITIVE CONTRACT (Including Notice of Award) Type of Contract: Firm Fixed Price Date of Action: April 1967 Estimated Completion: Undefined Dollar Value: - 371,000 OK, I typed in and corrected the name of the City twice and it still comes out wrong! I do know how to spell Prov_ idence! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKIPH Posted January 10, 2015 Share #10 Posted January 10, 2015 Gary- Thanks for all the info. Hope this helps some. I found it very interesting. SKIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poch Posted January 10, 2015 Share #11 Posted January 10, 2015 Here is my friend´s M6. Same as SKIPH´s one but different month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poch Posted January 11, 2015 Share #12 Posted January 11, 2015 Found this photo on the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bayonetman Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share #13 Posted January 11, 2015 Although it looks like 1967, the real date is 1961 and the files I have don't start until 1965. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Trzaska Posted January 11, 2015 Share #14 Posted January 11, 2015 I sent this link of a few items to Gary for his research but forgot to post it here. For those interested here are a few more items. http://www.usmilitaryknives.com/packing.htm All the best Frank Trzaska Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Trzaska Posted January 11, 2015 Share #15 Posted January 11, 2015 Gary- That's a lot of information gleaned from that data. Informative. Didn't realize the military was requesting M-7 bayonets into the 21st century. Always thought that ended in the 80s after the M9 was adopted. Thanks SKIP Skip, Not everyone adopted the M9, the other services used the M7 for quite awhile. Certain segments of the Army still use other bayonets as well. The 3d ID uses the M6 at the Tomb of the Unknowns and at funerals. The various drill teams use the M1, the M5, the M6 and the M7 with many of them being chromed. There were M6 contracts let in the 21st century but now with Camillus and Imperial gone I don't know who will be making them. I know that some teams are supplied bayonets from individuals that buy them and have them chromed individually. They also weld them back together at unit armories to keep them in use. Not at all pretty when you get up close, many held on to the rifle with tape. But in any case, yes the older bayonets are still being ordered. All the best Frank Trzaska Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKIPH Posted January 11, 2015 Share #16 Posted January 11, 2015 Frank, Thanks for the info, and I am aware that the older bayonets can be ordered through the supply system. Have seen the catalog in years past, you'd be amazed at what could still be ordered at that time. I was just thrown back a little w/ the 2004 date on the M7. I had to turn in my teams M7s in 1989 for M9s, which none of us liked. SKIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolf Posted January 12, 2015 Share #17 Posted January 12, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambo35 Posted January 14, 2015 Share #18 Posted January 14, 2015 PM sent yesterday on USMC surplused Ontario Mk2's. Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Flick Posted January 18, 2015 Share #19 Posted January 18, 2015 HI Gary: Here is another M6, similar to those previously posted but a different month. Regards, Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Flick Posted January 18, 2015 Share #20 Posted January 18, 2015 Gary: Here is a view of the box for some Mark 3 Mod 0 knives. Regards, Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bayonetman Posted January 19, 2015 Author Share #21 Posted January 19, 2015 Thanks to all that are helping. As I said, the real problem is that the contract information does not specify the exact item, so I have to figure out what item the contract is actually for. Just to show what it actually shows, here is the one Charlie shows above for the Navy Mark 3 Mod 0 knife. (Note: Much of the information is duplicated because this is in table form and one column is the code and the other is what the code means, which in many cases are the same) REPORTING DEPARTMENT CODE 4 Defense Logistics Agency (DLA) DD350 REPORT NUMBER / DD1057 LINE 2020 2020 CONTRACTING OFFICE CODE (DEPT, C.O.) 40700 40700 CONTRACTING OFFICE NAME Defense Construction Supply Ctr Defense Construction Supply Ctr POF-ST (2AN) 39 39 POF-CITY (5AN) 18000 18000 ID KEY DEPT (1N) 4 Defense Logistics Agency (DLA) ID KEY C.O. (5AN) 0700 0700 ID KEY REPORT NUMBER (4AN) 2020 2020 MONTH KEY (FISCAL YEAR) 92 92 MONTH KEY (MONTH) 12 September DATE OF LAST CHANGE 9212 9212 CONTRACT NUMBER DLA70091D0024 DLA70091D0024 MOD ORDER OR OTHER ID NUMBER 0004 0004 DATE OF ACTION 920929 09/29/1992 COMPLETION DATE 930306 03/06/1993 ESTABLISHMENT CONTRACTOR I.D. CODE 002100675 002100675 HEADQUARTERS CONTRACTOR I.D. CODE 002100675 002100675 HEADQUARTERS NAME ONTARIO KNIFE CO INC ONTARIO KNIFE CO INC ULTIMATE (PARENT) CONTRACTOR I.D. CODE 002105245 002105245 COMMERCIAL AND GOVERNMENT ENTITY CODE 2V376 2V376 ESTABLISHMENT TAXPAYER ID NUMBER XXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX PARENT TAXPAYER ID NUMBER XXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXX LOCATION CODE 3627320 3627320 STATE / COUNTY / WATER AREA CODE 36 36 STATE / COUNTY NAME New York New York PART OF CODE / LOCATION CODE 3627320 3627320 LOCATION NAME Franklinton Franklinton COUNTY / PROVINCE CODE 36095 36095 COUNTY / PROVINCE NAME Schoharie Schoharie NUMBER OF ACTIONS 00000000A 1 TOTAL DOLLARS (WHOLE DOLLARS) 0000008478G 84787 DOLLAR RANGE C $50,000 - $99,999 FOREIGN MILITARY SALE N No MULTI-YEAR CONTRACT N No TOTAL MULTI-YEAR VALUE (WHOLE DOLLARS) 00000000000000{ 0 FSC OR SERVICE CODE 1095 1095 FSC OR SERVICE DESCRIPTION Miscellaneous Weapons Miscellaneous Weapons DOD CLAIMANT PROGRAM CODE A5 A5 SYSTEM OR EQUIPMENT CODE PART 1 4 4 SYSTEM OR EQUIPMENT CODE PART 2 0 Undefined Code SYSTEM OR EQUIPMENT CODE PART 3 00 00 SYSTEM OR EQUIPMENT DESCRIPTION NOT DISCERNIBLE OR CLASSIFIED STANDARD INDUSTRIAL CLASS.CODE 3489 Ordnance and accessories, nec KIND OF CONTRACTING ACTION 5 Order Under DoD Contract OTHER DEFENSE AGENCIES INDICATOR 0 0 SYNOPSIS Y Yes REASON NOT SYNOPSIZED EXTENT COMPETED A Competed SEA TRANSPORTATION N No - Negative Response to DFARS 252.247-7202 POS 1 = INDICATOR FOR INCLUSION\EXCLUSION FROM COMPETITIVE DOLLAR BASE 7 7 POS 2 = FPS INDICATOR 3 State TYPE OF CONTRACT K Fixed Price Economic Price Adjustment OFFERS SOLICITED 2 More than one OFFERS RECEIVED 2 More than one SOLICITATION PROCEDURE B Full & Open Competition - Competitive Proposal AUTHORITY FOR OTHER THAN FULL AND OPEN COMPETITION SUBJECT TO LABOR STANDARDS STATUTES A Walsh - Healy Act, Manufacturer CERTIFICATE OF CURRENT COST OR PRICING DATA N No, Not Obtained CONTRACT FINANCING Z Not Applicable NUMBER OF OFFERORS 0 0 BUY AMERICAN ACT PERCENT DIFFERENCE 00 0 COUNTRY CODE FOR IMPORTED COMPONENTS, ITEM C12C = A COUNTRY CODE FOR FOREIGN PRODUCT, ITEM C12C = B TYPE OF BUSINESS B Other Small Business Performing in the U.S. REASON NOT AWARDED TO SMALL DISADVANTAGED BUSINESS A No Known SDB Source REASON NOT AWARDED TO SMALL BUSINESS TYPE OF SMALL BUSINESS SET-ASIDE PREFERENCE A None TYPE OF SMALL DISADVANTAGED BUSINESS SET-ASIDE PREFERENCE A None HBCU / MI SET-ASIDE A None OTHER PREFERENCE PROGRAM A None LABOR SURPLUS AREA PREFERENCE 1 Not an LSA Preference PREMIUM PERCENT ETHNIC GROUP WOMEN-OWNED SMALL BUSINESS N No SMALL BUSINESS INNOVATION RESEARCH PROGRAM A Not a SBIR Phase I / II SUBCONTRACTING PLAN FOR SMALL AND SMALL DISADVANTAGED BUSINESS B Plan Not Required DEMONSTRATION PROGRAM TEST N No SIZE OF SMALL BUSINESS EMERGING SMALL BUSINESS CONTRACTING ADVISORY AND ASSISTANCE SERVICES N No SET-ASIDE VALUE (WHOLE DOLLARS) 0000000{ 0 NEXT LOW OFFER (WHOLE DOLLARS) 0000000{ 0 BLANK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bayonetman Posted January 19, 2015 Author Share #22 Posted January 19, 2015 Just to further complicate matters, refer to post #17 by Rolf above where he shows the M4 bayonet package with a Conetta bayonet. By 1971 Conetta did not have any contracts - the contract shown on the box was issued to Bren-Dan. Conetta's last contract was in 1969. For those not aware, Conetta and Bren-Dan were owned by the same people and were basically across the street from each other. Conetta shut down their government work in 1969 and all later contracts went to Bren-Dan, and were marked with the Bren-Dan name. Apparently they either had some Conetta marked guards left over that they used up, or possibly even some bayonets that had not been used in an earlier contract. Whatever, it is a curiosity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marysdad Posted February 26, 2015 Share #23 Posted February 26, 2015 Hi Gary, Here's a couple of more M7s: M7 from one of the 1973 contracts that Imperial had: M7 by Ontario, from what I believe to be the last of all M7 contracts (unless they resume production): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Trzaska Posted March 26, 2015 Share #24 Posted March 26, 2015 Just picked up a M1917 scabbard in the wrapper. http://www.usmilitaryknives.com/Images2015/M1917%20Packaging.JPG All the best Frank Trzaska Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
45ACP Posted March 29, 2015 Share #25 Posted March 29, 2015 I have this M7 scabbard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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