Demon lord Posted November 15, 2014 Share #1 Posted November 15, 2014 Hi everyone, I would like to identify this Special Forces Patch: Thanks in advance. Jérôme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
militariaone Posted November 15, 2014 Share #2 Posted November 15, 2014 Greetings JérômeAnswer here: http://www.military-insignia.us/Pages/SpecOpsInsignia/PocketPatches-SSI/PP-10SFGA.htmlRegards,Lance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demon lord Posted November 15, 2014 Author Share #3 Posted November 15, 2014 Lance, Thank you for this interessant link! What do the Greek letters, and the red sign on the handle of the knife? Regards, Jérôme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashesandovals Posted November 15, 2014 Share #4 Posted November 15, 2014 Hi everyone, I would like to identify this Special Forces Patch: Thanks in advance. Jérôme Can you please post a pic of the back of that patch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demon lord Posted November 15, 2014 Author Share #5 Posted November 15, 2014 of course, I did this to you tomorrow!It's late in France and I do not have a good light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BEAST Posted November 15, 2014 Share #6 Posted November 15, 2014 I may be way off but I believe that the symbol on the handle is for the atom while the letters are for 3 types of radiation: alpha, beta and gamma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USMarineCorps Posted November 15, 2014 Share #7 Posted November 15, 2014 This is a reproduction; the stitching is off. This one probably has a gauze back, covered by some paper-like material. The letters are indeed de three types of radiation; the shape is the one of the SADM and the colors are the 10th SFG colors and the german flag colors. I believe the dagger is an SS one, referring to Bad Tölz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefighter Posted November 15, 2014 Share #8 Posted November 15, 2014 Why would a USSF patch have a SA/SS type dagger on their patch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrei Posted November 15, 2014 Share #9 Posted November 15, 2014 Why would a USSF patch have a SA/SS type dagger on their patch? Because of the Bad Tölz connection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwb123 Posted November 16, 2014 Share #10 Posted November 16, 2014 Bad Tolz is a former SS training school. It was taken over by US forces after the war and eventually became the center for Special Forces in Europe. It's relatively close to some of their intended operating areas should WWIII of ever happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demon lord Posted November 16, 2014 Author Share #11 Posted November 16, 2014 Faced with the interest aroused by this post, I still take a photo of the back: Face à l'intérêt que suscite ce poste, j'ai tout de même fait une photo du dos: and a picture to show the thickness of the patch: et une photo pour montrer l'épaisseur du patch: Are you sure that is a reproduction?? Because I bought it as good vintage... Êtes-vous sur que c'est une reproduction? Car je l'ai acheté comme bon d'époque... Thank you for the explanation of the symbolism. Merci pour l'explication du symbolisme. Jérôme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefighter Posted November 16, 2014 Share #12 Posted November 16, 2014 Interesting. Thank you for the information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashesandovals Posted November 16, 2014 Share #13 Posted November 16, 2014 repro - in any case, not a German made original Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demon lord Posted November 16, 2014 Author Share #14 Posted November 16, 2014 Too bad Can you present a picture of the back of an original please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USMarineCorps Posted November 16, 2014 Share #15 Posted November 16, 2014 here's the back of an original one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USMarineCorps Posted November 16, 2014 Share #16 Posted November 16, 2014 as i mentioned before, yours is one of the reproductions with a gauze back, covered by a paper-like backing (some residue can still be seen). The stitching is the most obvious red flag though. Here's how it should look like: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demon lord Posted November 16, 2014 Author Share #17 Posted November 16, 2014 thank you for this information. The Weaving is completely different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Kraut Posted November 16, 2014 Share #18 Posted November 16, 2014 A reproduction or, more likely, a late KALKA one. The original patch was made by KALKA in Augsburg and offered for sale as "Article No. 3601 - Spezial Forces Abzeichen mit Messer" (Special Forces insignia with knife). It was part of a couple of 10th SF patches, most of them displayed on the web site linked to in one of the posts before. Please keep in mind: These patches were offered for decades, even after the units were disbanded or had left Germany, the patches were sold by KALKA for surplus shops etc. You still find some remains offered on their website today. During the decades embroidery machines were replaced by new ones. Once again IMHO the one posted by Jérome looks to my like a late "original design" KALKA one, using today's materials. I would keep it. Some of the KALKA 10th SF stuff: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demon lord Posted November 16, 2014 Author Share #19 Posted November 16, 2014 great explanation!if I understood everything, mine is a late model (late 1970s), manufactured by the KALKA company?PS: Sorry for not understanding everything perfectly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proud Kraut Posted November 16, 2014 Share #20 Posted November 16, 2014 great explanation! if I understood everything, mine is a late model (late 1970s), manufactured by the KALKA company? PS: Sorry for not understanding everything perfectly... I would say much later. The patch was sold by KALKA until the late 1990's, early 2000's. My guess is was made in this timefrime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demon lord Posted November 16, 2014 Author Share #21 Posted November 16, 2014 Ok, thank you very much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashesandovals Posted November 16, 2014 Share #22 Posted November 16, 2014 Here's an original early German Made I sold a while ago: http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/221177-fs-1st-bn-10th-special-forces-patches/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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