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Hi everyone,

 

I would like to identify this Special Forces Patch:

 

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Thanks in advance.

Jérôme

 

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Lance,

 

Thank you for this interessant link!

 

What do the Greek letters, and the red sign on the handle of the knife?

 

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Jérôme

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of course, I did this to you tomorrow!
It's late in France
and I do not have a good light

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I may be way off but I believe that the symbol on the handle is for the atom while the letters are for 3 types of radiation: alpha, beta and gamma.

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This is a reproduction; the stitching is off. This one probably has a gauze back, covered by some paper-like material.

The letters are indeed de three types of radiation; the shape is the one of the SADM and the colors are the 10th SFG colors and the german flag colors. I believe the dagger is an SS one, referring to Bad Tölz?

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Bad Tolz is a former SS training school. It was taken over by US forces after the war and eventually became the center for Special Forces in Europe. It's relatively close to some of their intended operating areas should WWIII of ever happened.

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Faced with the interest aroused by this post, I still take a photo of the back:

Face à l'intérêt que suscite ce poste, j'ai tout de même fait une photo du dos:

 

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and a picture to show the thickness of the patch:
et une photo pour montrer l'épaisseur du patch:

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Are you sure that is a reproduction?? Because I bought it as good vintage...

Êtes-vous sur que c'est une reproduction? Car je l'ai acheté comme bon d'époque...

 

Thank you for the explanation of the symbolism.

Merci pour l'explication du symbolisme.

 

Jérôme

 

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Too bad

Can you present a picture of the back of an original please?

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as i mentioned before, yours is one of the reproductions with a gauze back, covered by a paper-like backing (some residue can still be seen). The stitching is the most obvious red flag though. Here's how it should look like:

 

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thank you for this information. The Weaving is completely different

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A reproduction or, more likely, a late KALKA one. The original patch was made by KALKA in Augsburg and offered for sale as "Article No. 3601 - Spezial Forces Abzeichen mit Messer" (Special Forces insignia with knife). It was part of a couple of 10th SF patches, most of them displayed on the web site linked to in one of the posts before.

 

Please keep in mind: These patches were offered for decades, even after the units were disbanded or had left Germany, the patches were sold by KALKA for surplus shops etc. You still find some remains offered on their website today. During the decades embroidery machines were replaced by new ones. Once again IMHO the one posted by Jérome looks to my like a late "original design" KALKA one, using today's materials. I would keep it.

 

Some of the KALKA 10th SF stuff:

 

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great explanation!
if I understood everything, mine is a late model (late 1970s), manufactured by the KALKA company?

PS: Sorry for not understanding everything perfectly
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great explanation!

if I understood everything, mine is a late model (late 1970s), manufactured by the KALKA company?

 

PS: Sorry for not understanding everything perfectly...

 

I would say much later. The patch was sold by KALKA until the late 1990's, early 2000's. My guess is was made in this timefrime.

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