ocsfollowme Posted October 27, 2014 Share #26 Posted October 27, 2014 Finally received this from Holland today in the mail. It is a larger patch than I thought, as it is a tad over 3.5" in diameter. It does not glow. This one appears to have been taken out of a scrap book and it was sold to me by a aviation patch company out of Holland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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firefighter Posted October 27, 2014 Share #28 Posted October 27, 2014 Spandau? Not sure.Just a guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocsfollowme Posted October 27, 2014 Share #29 Posted October 27, 2014 Does a 3.5" patch seem sort of big to have on a shoulder? I have seen some very large train bn patches on uniform jackets though. I really do not know. I am guessing too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocsfollowme Posted October 27, 2014 Share #30 Posted October 27, 2014 Not sure.Just a guess. The 1949/1950 Spandau prison photos, from what I can see, only are shown using the blue SHAEF USAEUR patch. http://www.usarmygermany.com/Units/Berlin%20Brigade/USAREUR_Berlin%20Brigade.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintageproductions Posted October 27, 2014 Share #31 Posted October 27, 2014 Many years ago there was a thought that this was some sort of radio unit that put out propaganda messages to mess with the Germans. Similar to the Ghost armies. I thought someone turned up a photo one time showing this painted on a wooden sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12A54 Posted October 28, 2014 Share #32 Posted October 28, 2014 Could this be a stylized R on the left, reversed for design reasons? Radio Free Europe / RFE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted October 28, 2014 Share #33 Posted October 28, 2014 Since it's clearly a post WWII patch with some kind of association with USAEUR, can these folks be contacted to find out? http://www.usarmygermany.com/Sont.htm?http&&&www.usarmygermany.com/units/3rd%20inf%20div/usareur_3rd%20inf%20div.htm Also if you look at the left side menu, they have a Mystery Patch topic, but of all the patches thus far submitted there seems to be no ID Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldWarPatches Posted November 29, 2014 Share #34 Posted November 29, 2014 See ebay Item # 191058948159 4 sale by jangerjones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WorldWarPatches Posted November 29, 2014 Share #35 Posted November 29, 2014 I also have had this patch for 4 years and just found it today listed on ebay, mine is from an old collection that was not added to after mid 80's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocsfollowme Posted November 29, 2014 Share #36 Posted November 29, 2014 Interesting. Sort of goes with what BOB C. stated...a unit that did some stuff over the radio waves. Sounds like some CI to me. This reproduction is listed as "US Army Europe USAEUR Military Counter Intelligence CI Command http://www.ebay.com/itm/191058948159?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sop%3D10%26_from%3DR40%257CR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D191058948159%26_rdc%3D1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted November 30, 2014 Share #37 Posted November 30, 2014 Maybe it was a patch for one of USAEUR's CIC Groups or one of it's Detachments back in the late 40-50s? http://www.usarmygermany.com/Sont.htm?http&&&www.usarmygermany.com/units/military%20intelligence/USAREUR_66thMIBde.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocsfollowme Posted December 16, 2014 Share #38 Posted December 16, 2014 I asked the people at the usarmygermany website and this was their response: "The USAREUR Historian contacted me about a year ago asking if I had ever seen this one. Nobody seems to know anything about it - everybody is just guessing. That seems strange and leads me to believe it is NOT an authentic or authorize patch.... But I might be proven wrong at some point. Time will tell." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tredhed2 Posted December 17, 2014 Share #39 Posted December 17, 2014 I don't comment when I don't know the answer, but this may give some direction. A now deceased collector friend of mine was watching the History Channel in the mid 90s when the channel first started. There was a B & W film segment on some long forgotten show that depicted some American GIs sitting at a commo (telephone) switchboard, and at least one of them was wearing this patch on his left sleeve. I can tell you, based upon what I do know about collecting, is that the single white star is probably for a single campaign credit during the war. I have searched combos of the letters for years; nothing in 672-1 helps, either. It is probably not an authorized patch, either. or else TIOH would help. Am not saying this was a signal corps unit, because almost every unit had a commo section - but not with multiple telephones/operators. It may take someone going to NARA and looking at every SC bn/co photo and the caption will finally answer the question. Or, we get incredibly lucky and some tenacious and studious collector hits the bricks. ASMIC, and the collecting world lost a heck of a SC collector last year, Col. David Kyle, but even he did not know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamski Posted December 22, 2014 Share #40 Posted December 22, 2014 You would think it would be something with the initials AVE in it. Allied Victory Europe? -Ski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocsfollowme Posted January 21, 2016 Share #41 Posted January 21, 2016 Found another thread on this http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/166872-can-anyone-id-this-patch-possibly-usareur-unit/?hl=barryjay&do=findComment&comment=1267273 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocsfollowme Posted January 21, 2016 Share #42 Posted January 21, 2016 Well, I just checked all 4 TPs from 1994 and it is not in that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocsfollowme Posted January 21, 2016 Share #43 Posted January 21, 2016 Nor is it in any of the 4 TPs from 1995 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocsfollowme Posted January 21, 2016 Share #44 Posted January 21, 2016 OK, it appears in J-M 1996 page 53. At this point no one knows. It first appears in ASMIC in Jan-Feb 1954. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill K Posted January 21, 2016 Share #45 Posted January 21, 2016 Here's a pic I have from a uniform with one of these patches. It's on an Ike jacket, so it can't be from later than 1958. I had one years ago no with no brass- mine and this one had the patch in question on the right shoulder.From the USAREUR website:30 JUNE 195415th QM Bn22nd QM Co (Subs Sup)462nd QM Co (Ldry)520th QM Co (POL Sup) (Mbl)562nd QM Det (Svc)and later.....(Source: Unit History, 2nd Quartermaster Group, APO 154, c. 1956)The 14th Quartermaster Battalion located in Munster, Germany, Northern Area Command, has the mission of supporting V Corps in its tactical mission.22nd Quartermaster Company(Subsistence Supply) (-1 Plat) Provides one section daily for Hanau Sub-Area Class I breakdown.134th Quartermaster Company(Bakery) Provides approximately one and one half platoons for operation of Darmstadt Sub-Area Bakery, which is a fixed German Bakery.506th Quartermaster Company(Petroleum Supply) A relatively newly activated unit and at present is in a training status with no general support training mission. Contemplated future utilization is in support of 3rd Armored Division.525th Quartermaster Company(Petroleum Supply) Provides Class III support for Northern Area Command on call.and lastly........1958(Source: 7th Army Annual History)ORGANIZATION (30 June 1958):UNIT DESIGNATIONDUTY STATION COMMENTSHHD, 14th QM Bn Muenster (Darmstadt)22nd QM Co (Subs Sup) Hanau134th QM Co (Bakery) Hanau506th QM Co (Petrl Sup) Muenster7764th QM Co (PS) HanauSubs Sup . . . Subsistence SupplyPetrl Sup . . . Petroleum SupplyPS . . . . Parts SupplyIt might be answer but still doesn't explain the patch. Could the "AVE" really just be "AE" as in Alpha Echo? if you convert that to numbers it would be "15". And from the 1954 list above we see the 22nd QM Co was in the 15th QM Battalion. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill K Posted January 21, 2016 Share #46 Posted January 21, 2016 Here's the patch......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocsfollowme Posted January 21, 2016 Share #47 Posted January 21, 2016 Now we are getting somewhere! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamski Posted January 21, 2016 Share #48 Posted January 21, 2016 Damnedest thing, hey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocsfollowme Posted January 21, 2016 Share #49 Posted January 21, 2016 The Jan-Feb 1954 only had a drawing of the patch in the CAN U ID section. No supporting evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manayunkman Posted January 21, 2016 Share #50 Posted January 21, 2016 America and Europe are chained together. One is dependent on the other ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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