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I recently found an interesting lot of mess items, I have been searching for some of them for quite some time now.

 

It includes a sealed hard bread tin, USMC 1917 dated spoon and fork, a private purchase silverware set, and a suspicious looking "French" biscuit (not actually sure what it is).

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-Todd

Currently looking for WWI items, specifically photos of the 116th infantry regiment, and any material related to the USS Olympia.

Always on the lookout for any rations, miscellaneous personal items, pack filler, care package stuffers, knit Red Cross material, and oddball equipment to supplement the Doughboy display.
Have some extras? I help friends fill out their living history kit, and could always use more loaner gear!

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The star of the show, I think, is this mysterious yet seemingly official "Haversack Ration". It says Grocery component, so perhaps it was part of a larger ration? Perhaps it is the container prior to the adoption of the ubiquitous sectioned tin adopted shortly after this was packed. It seems like an awful lot of work to package each man's allotment of salt, pepper, sugar, and coffee this way.

 

The package seems to be a simple cardboard box wrapped in wax-paper.

 

Any thoughts on what this, officially, is?

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-Todd

Currently looking for WWI items, specifically photos of the 116th infantry regiment, and any material related to the USS Olympia.

Always on the lookout for any rations, miscellaneous personal items, pack filler, care package stuffers, knit Red Cross material, and oddball equipment to supplement the Doughboy display.
Have some extras? I help friends fill out their living history kit, and could always use more loaner gear!

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I've seen these before, but don't know too much about them.

 

Could it be something that was used/issued prior to the adoption of the 1910 Condiment Can that was used to carry coffee, salt and sugar?

 

Here's another photo of a similar Haversack Ration. I don't recall the source of the photo.

This picture is from my collection.

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I agree with Mark. Very nice and uncommon score on the rations. I know the tins with the bread in them used to be very hard to source but I have seen a couple dozen now in the last few years maybe some older collections are opening up.

 

The biscuit looks like hard tack bread.I found a half eaten piece in a mess kit from a 88th division soldier.

 

Great find and thanks for posting.

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Thanks folks! Good to see another example. I have no idea what a fair price would be, but I manned up and paid what I feel is a fair price for the pile. I know prices for rations can get crazy, though.

 

Doyler, did your hardtack have the same shape as this one? I did a few quick searches and most hardtack I see seems to be a bit more flat and square.

 

-Todd

Currently looking for WWI items, specifically photos of the 116th infantry regiment, and any material related to the USS Olympia.

Always on the lookout for any rations, miscellaneous personal items, pack filler, care package stuffers, knit Red Cross material, and oddball equipment to supplement the Doughboy display.
Have some extras? I help friends fill out their living history kit, and could always use more loaner gear!

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Thanks folks! Good to see another example. I have no idea what a fair price would be, but I manned up and paid what I feel is a fair price for the pile. I know prices for rations can get crazy, though.

 

Doyler, did your hardtack have the same shape as this one? I did a few quick searches and most hardtack I see seems to be a bit more flat and square.

TODD

Mine is similar in shape and rounded corners as I recall.Other than a couple of green spots I cleaned off it looks quite delicious. ...lol.If I can get to it I will add a picture to the pist if its ok.

 

RD

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I HAVE SEEN THE ENEMY AND IT IS DAYLIGHT
Forget about the tips..We'll get hell to pay (AC/DC)
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Very nice finds!

 

There isn't a whole lot of detailed information about the haversack rations handy. I believe it was adopted circa 1906. Basically, the haversack ration was an attempt at a true 'field' ration. At that time a 'field ration' was basically equitable to a full cold mess, and the haversack ration was roughly equitable to an MCI 'C' ration.

 

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This indicates it was funded in 1908. But I think that may have been the 1908 fiscal year, which ran from 1907 to 1908.

 

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Todd - Great find! I had wondered what that package looked like so it is nice to see an original.

 

Anybody have an idea how the individual components were packaged?

 

Peter

Looking for items related to the 161st Infantry Regiment

(aka NGW; Washington Territorial Militia 1855-1886; 1st/2nd Infantry Regiment, Washington 1886-1898; 1st/2nd Regiment, Washington Volunteer Infantry 1898-1899; 1st/2nd Infantry Regiment Washington National Guard 1899-1917)

and 36th Infantry Battalion/Regiment


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Todd - Great find! I had wondered what that package looked like so it is nice to see an original.

 

Anybody have an idea how the individual components were packaged?

 

Peter

It is a great find. I have only seen about four of these little condiment packs come out in the open.

 

A long while back, there was one of the Haversack Ration condiment packs like that for sale somewhere that was open. As I recall, the individual components were packed in little paper envelopes. I suppose that they may have been waxed.

 

I wonder how universal that they were. I've read personal accounts from the early 20th century up through the Punitive Expedition where coffee and condiments were issued in bulk.

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So, in 1906, it sounds like the haversack ration consisted of hard bread issued in the 8 oz paper-wrapped cardboard boxes (2 ea per day), bacon issued in bulk to be placed in the meat can (wasn't there a bag issued with the haversack for the bacon ration at some point?), and coffee and condiments issued either in bulk or in the cute little boxes as seen above. The haversacks up until 1910 were issued with small cotton bags to hold the coffee and condiments. The bacon tin and condiment tin came out in 1910.

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That is neat! I'm tempted to send them some pictures.

-Todd

Currently looking for WWI items, specifically photos of the 116th infantry regiment, and any material related to the USS Olympia.

Always on the lookout for any rations, miscellaneous personal items, pack filler, care package stuffers, knit Red Cross material, and oddball equipment to supplement the Doughboy display.
Have some extras? I help friends fill out their living history kit, and could always use more loaner gear!

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I found this article on this ration. It's in the center of the page, slightly to the right. The heading is "new haversack ration." It provides some details about the manufacturing process. Hope it is of interest! Dr_Rambow, congratulations on a nice find!

 

http://fultonhistory.com/newspaper%202/Buffalo%20Ny%20Morning%20Express/Buffalo%20NY%20Morning%20Express%201909.pdf/Newspaper%20Buffalo%20NY%20Morning%20Express%201909%20-%200956.PDF

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Great finds Todd.

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Any items related to the Harbor Defenses of the Columbia River and the Harbor Defenses of Puget Sound, 1860s-WWII. This includes items from Fort Stevens, OR; Ft Canby, WA; Ft Columbia, WA; Ft Worden, WA; Ft Casey, WA; Ft Flagler, WA; Ft Ward, WA; Ft Whitman, WA; Camp Hayden, WA; and the following units that served at these forts:
Columbia River: 33rd, 34th, 93rd, and 160th Companies, CAC; and 18th and 249th Coast Artillery regiments
Puget Sound: 26th, 30th, 62nd, 63rd, 71st, 85th, 92nd, 94th, 106th, 108th, 126th, 149th, and 150th Companies, CAC; and 14th and 248th Coast Artillery regiments

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Here is the ration I found last weekend. I thought I'd add it Todd's thread.

 

LF

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Top Iwo Jima Items I'm Looking For:

1) IDed 5th MarDiv Corpsman Jumper or Forest Green Coat.

2) IDed Coast Guard Navy Jumper

3) IDed CB's Sea Bee's Navy Jumper

4) IDed 147th Infantry Regiment Army Service Coat

5) IDed 32nd ID Army Service Coat (Occupation Kyushu with 5th MarDiv).

I am always looking for named and dated WWII USMC Forest Green wool alpha jackets/coats from the 5th Marine Division or other units who participated in the battle.

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Found a picture of some Virginia National Guardsmen, pre-War, with our little Haversack Ration in prominent view.attachicon.gifdp-hamptons-battery-d-readies-for-war-during-t-033.jpg

FANTASTIC image! thank you for posting.

 

John

Top dollar paid for WWI AEF Tank Corps uniforms, medal groups, equipment and photos,
unit histories and rosters...especially anything associated with

301st (Heavy) Tank Bn
Drop me an email and let me know what you have.

 

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That is really a fantastic image. I love the other rations that are pictured!

-Todd

Currently looking for WWI items, specifically photos of the 116th infantry regiment, and any material related to the USS Olympia.

Always on the lookout for any rations, miscellaneous personal items, pack filler, care package stuffers, knit Red Cross material, and oddball equipment to supplement the Doughboy display.
Have some extras? I help friends fill out their living history kit, and could always use more loaner gear!

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