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Buyer beware although there are already bidders on two of the wings. Lots of fraud and deception on eBay and too many uneducated buyers. Sad commentary for the collecting community.


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Buyer beware although there are already bidders on two of the wings. Lots of fraud and deception on eBay and too many uneducated buyers. Sad commentary for the collecting community.

 

It is ironic because novice collectors probably have the best opportunity to learn about wings than all of us who have preceded them in the collecting world ever had. Between internet resources (like this one), the high quality and clear photographs of a wide range of wings in the first two Pinks and Greens books, websites, and even ebay, no one should ever be able to argue ignorance anymore.

 

Oh well.

 

Maybe the mods can at least move these pictures to the fakes and reproduction thread?

 

Thanks for posting them Russ.

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It is ironic because novice collectors probably have the best opportunity to learn about wings than all of us who have preceded them in the collecting world ever had. Between internet resources (like this one), the high quality and clear photographs of a wide range of wings in the first two Pinks and Greens books, websites, and even ebay, no one should ever be able to argue ignorance anymore.

 

Oh well.

 

Maybe the mods can at least move these pictures to the fakes and reproduction thread?

 

Thanks for posting them Russ.

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The first act of a potential buyer, especially on Ebay, should be to size-up a seller. Not by looking at feedback ( most selling fakes have 100 percent ) but by seeing what else the seller is and has been selling. In my experience most of those selling fakes tend to be people who specialize in Militaria. Sometimes it's a means to get rid of bad purchases on their part, mostly it's a deliberate effort to defraud. But by looking at a seller's history it's often possible to characterize a seller. This is by no means foolproof, but I think when contemplating a purchase on Ebay it should the first step. Next step is to work from a premise that the item is a fake, and then work towards what makes it genuine.

 

Coincidentally an airborne wing with British-made pin identical to the one that was discussed here recently is now on Ebay, so there must be a batch of them.

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Larger image of Ebay #160449837702

 

 

The one in Post#12 might have been a genuine "sweetheart" wing that has been "upgraded" by punchmarking a heap of stars on the top of the shield and sticking on the "US".

 

Regards

Mike

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The first act of a potential buyer, especially on Ebay, should be to size-up a seller. Not by looking at feedback ( most selling fakes have 100 percent ) but by seeing what else the seller is and has been selling. In my experience most of those selling fakes tend to be people who specialize in Militaria. Sometimes it's a means to get rid of bad purchases on their part, mostly it's a deliberate effort to defraud. But by looking at a seller's history it's often possible to characterize a seller. This is by no means foolproof, but I think when contemplating a purchase on Ebay it should the first step. Next step is to work from a premise that the item is a fake, and then work towards what makes it genuine.

 

 

 

Wise words horsa. Your approach to Ebay buying is a must for us all.


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I concur with Russ,

 

It used to be easier to use ebay and weed out the con artists. Now, it is much harder, but with careful work and good documentation, it is still possible.

 

One really important thing to do is to keep careful documentation of all interactions with the seller. If I have ANY concerns about an item, I always ask for their return policy. Because this is always via email, it is already in writing--and I keep it filed on my computer if I win the auction. It makes returning something so much easier if I have been conned. once, I bought a wing from a guy because I thought it may have been a rare theater-made variation (or it could have been a bad casting of a wing). I was very polite and said something like "because it is hard to know from just scans or pictures, do you offer a return policy that I can return the wing if I think it is a casting or if I don't like it for any reason? If I do return it, I will be happy to pay any ebay or shipping fees, of course. Or do you have some sort of restrictions on returns?" Since they said I could return it with out any restrictions, I bid accordingly. When I got it, I was convinced it was a fake. When I tried to return it then started to hem and haw and didn't want to take it back, so I simply resent them their original email that said I could return it for any reason. It makes it a lot easier when they have said in their own words that they will take it back for any reason! They weren't happy, but they took it back.

 

If they don't agree to a written return policy, I simply won't be as aggressive in my bidding unless I am prepared to lose the money. The beauty of ebay is that something is ALWAYS being offered. Just be patient.

 

It seems to me that this guy got lucky on some auctions early on and decided to cash in with a bunch of other crud.

 

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One can only hope that we can help folks out with our forum... I think it is a SAD COMMENTARY as well but not on the collector community but people in general.... is not GREED one of the seven deadly sins?

 

Russ thanks for posting these it was on my list of to do's! - I will attempt to move this thread to the FAKES pinned thread so as to keep this at the top.

 

As far as fakes go these are of low quality except for the wing in post #12 which I guess falls into the hybrid fake catagory i.e. using an older wing and altering it to make it somehting else. I think the construction style of these wings will look familiar to some folks here...

 

Cheers

John


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Here's five wings currently listed on ebay by the same seller. Opinions?

Ebay #160449835332.

 

 

I forgot to add... if buyer gets it for $99 then it is a good deal compared to the catalog price for this wing from the maker which is $300... as long as he knows it is a reproduction.

 

John


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what about these...currently listed

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-Brig
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LCpl Joshua A 'Scottie' Scott
LCpl Jason Lee 'Birdman' Frye
LCpl Nicolas B Morrison
LCpl Jon T Hicks
LCpl Osbrany 'Oz' Montes De Oca
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-Brig
GySgt/USMC/0369
RSU-Quantico


"FOR OUR TOMORROWS, THEY GAVE THEIR TODAYS"
RIP
Sgt Jesse 'Jeff Nasty' Balthaser
Sgt John P Huling
Cpl Carlos 'Gilo Monster' Gilorozco
Cpl Stephen C 'Socks' Sockalosky
LCpl Joshua A 'Scottie' Scott
LCpl Jason Lee 'Birdman' Frye
LCpl Nicolas B Morrison
LCpl Jon T Hicks
LCpl Osbrany 'Oz' Montes De Oca
Pvt Lewis T D Calapini
'The SOI 5'

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what about these...currently listed

 

 

Brig, it sure looks like the balloon pilot wing is made up of some of the same components seen in the pilot wing examples currently listed on ebay. Just more junk in my opinion.

 

Russ


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More WASP wing fun - part of this photo will look familar. I am not expert but the shield design looks like it was made by the same hand... The wing pattern is likely familar with some of you and was produced in WW2. The addition of the shield looks to be recent if you look at the reverse shot. (next post)

 

I am no expert so I am looking for opinions :)

 

BTW I see a W1, W4, W5 - why no W3 yet?!?!

 

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Here is the reverse shot - :think:

 

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John,

 

The top one is good, I talked to the seller, and this wing was looked at by an expert. The last picture ( reverse) looks like one of Joe W's, aged


Paul Conrad
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I am bored prefixing everything I say with "I think" or "in my opinion".
Everything I say is my opinion; the only thing of which I am certain is that there is very little of which one can be certain.

 


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I agree, the last WASP wing look's bad.

 

I actually just spotted it on ebay and was going to post it and saw you guys beat me too it.

 

Up to 10 bids, looks like folks are fighting over it days in advance, never got that mentality.

 

Best,

 

John


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I thought this was interesting. A series of videos on youtube on how to sand cast items.

 

 

And the method of centrifugal casting:

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and part 3

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MORE EBAY FUN!

 

Please take a look at this (fill in the blank)! Now take a look at the sellers feedback and take note of the buyers I am sure some of you will find this interesting or at the very least ironic. Additionally look at all the other wings for sale... feel free to upload and post them.

 

Ebay Seller pacificstandard09 from Orange Ca.

 

Ebay item link

 

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I have a pair of Meyers Liaison Pilot wings I bought about 15 years ago. They are the reproductions. Below is a photo showing the back hallmarks. It is my understanding that the repops were marked with "Sterling" and the NSMeyer shield but original Meyer wings also had the stamping "NSMeyer" on them, for a total of three hallmarks.

 

Sound right?

 

Tom

 

So these are restikes? What exactly does restrike mean?


Always looking for uniquely marked helmets, WWI and WWII American Field Service items, WWII and earlier USMC items and named or numbered medals and medal groups.


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More WASP wing fun - part of this photo will look familar. I am not expert but the shield design looks like it was made by the same hand... The wing pattern is likely familar with some of you and was produced in WW2. The addition of the shield looks to be recent if you look at the reverse shot. (next post)

 

I am no expert so I am looking for opinions :)

 

BTW I see a W1, W4, W5 - why no W3 yet?!?!

 

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Another pair ebay# 300457401366

 

Look bad to me, others know more...

 

Opinions?


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Sadly, these just sold for $1200.

 

Chimme in, I think these were bad...

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I wanted add yet another WASP wing to the mix. I have to say I am getting tired of all the WASP Class wings since I posted about it sometime ago and got some flak from one seller who mis-unterstood me. (I hope he does not have bad feelings over it)

 

Anyway here are some more photos from a current auction.

 

 

 

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Always looking for Wings & Named Air Medals!

Motto: To Collect, Preserve, and Remember!

 

 

 

 

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Reverse and detail shot.

 

I will let the photos do the talking... but please feel free to include your thoughts.

 

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Always looking for Wings & Named Air Medals!

Motto: To Collect, Preserve, and Remember!

 

 

 

 

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Very Sad! BTW that BP ad is a great thing to have - IIRC Cliff posted that some time ago - thanks again Cliff :)


Always looking for Wings & Named Air Medals!

Motto: To Collect, Preserve, and Remember!

 

 

 

 

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Here is a new fake to watch out for, a hybrid. First pattern flight surgeon wing, Meyer die struck, with an AE hallmark.

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