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Does any one have a logical explanation why this or any other maker during World War II would placed the number '9' below their hallmark?

 

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Cliff I think that is an "S". IIRC I have heard two stories on this S = sample or this is a restrike as mentioned above and someone marked it... I am watching this just to see how high it goes.

 

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Cliff I think that is an "S". IIRC I have heard two stories on this S = sample or this is a restrike as mentioned above and someone marked it... I am watching this just to see how high it goes.

 

John

 

Hi John,

 

:unsure: After looking at the backmarks closer I think you may be right about that being an 'S' rather than the number 9. It also would appear that the backmarks are somewhat distorted. So was the badge struck with the hallmarks/backmarks twice? If that was the case it would be just one more RED FLAG WAVING .

 

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Hi John,

 

:unsure: After looking at the backmarks closer I think you may be right about that being an 'S' rather than the number 9. It also would appear that the backmarks are somewhat distorted. So was the badge struck with the hallmarks/backmarks twice? If that was the case it would be just one more RED FLAG WAVING .

 

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Cliff to me this is a restrike made by Balfour until I have more information. Additionally this wing has been found with the LGB STER mark which is not to be confused with the legit LGB STER back mark on the two in wings.

 

Cheers

John


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I believe you are all wise men to be leary of this Balfour "S" marked Senior Balloon pilot wing. It is my opinion, the Balfour Company used the "S" stamp as an abbreviation for the word "STERLING". However, they did not begin using this abbreviation until after WWII. I have seen a number of L. G. Balfour produced commercial airlines pilot wings made in the late 1940's through the 1950's with the "S" stamp. Here's a couple of legitimate examples of 1947-1950 era Flying Tiger Lines with the "S" mark. Note how clean struck the mark is compared to the Senior Balloon Pilot example.

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L. G. Balfour "S" marked Flying Tiger Lines Captain wings and cap piece.

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Here's a couple examples of the L.G. Balfour "SAMPLE" stamps found on late 1940's American Airlines prototype pilot wings. I've never seen a WWII wing with a "SAMPLE" mark. Do they exist? If you have one, please share it with us. Russ

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Ahhhhh the plot thickens!

 

The wings you posted Russ are very cool and have a recognized LGB font at least to my eyes. My knee jerk reaction to this new information makes me think that someone was altering the restrikes with a poor quality balfour + s stamp... maybe they even planted the information that the S was for sample vs. yours that are clearly marked sample. Who knows!? :think:

 

If only I could recall whom told me this... it may even be the same person we spoke about when we meet at Bonham's...

 

Great stuff thanks for posting!!!

 

John


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Well the senior balloon wing ended up going for $697.00... it would be an interesting topic if the buyer posted it here... There is always a chance he knows something most other do not...

 

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OK Here's some more fuel for the fire, before I comment what does everyone think of MY LGB Senior balloon wing

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The hallmark is LGB STER

 

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Paul Conrad
Still looking for quality wings!

www.conradwings.com
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I am bored prefixing everything I say with "I think" or "in my opinion".
Everything I say is my opinion; the only thing of which I am certain is that there is very little of which one can be certain.

 


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And Balloon:

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Paul Conrad
Still looking for quality wings!

www.conradwings.com
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I am bored prefixing everything I say with "I think" or "in my opinion".
Everything I say is my opinion; the only thing of which I am certain is that there is very little of which one can be certain.

 


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And Balloon:

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Hey Paul, you have as much experience as most, what do you think?

 

I would ask a couple of questions if it were me.

 

1) Does the size of the planchet, the location and style of the hinge, catch, and pin, match with other known WWII vintage LGB wings?

2) Does the size, location and font compare well (or not) with known LGB hallmarks. Both the LGB mark and the STERLING marks?

3) Does the finish, patina, and texture of the wings (both front and back) compare well with known original LGB wings?

 

My assumption, which I agree could be totally wrong, would be that other WWII vintage wings made by this company should compare very well (if not identical) with the balloon wings. I believe that these balloon wings would have been made from dies originally cut during the 40's, no earlier than that. So, any vintage wings would have been made during the same run as other WWII LGB wings, and so should be just about the same.

 

If the balloon wings do not match up with other WWII vintage LGB wings, then, I would lean towards restrikes done for the collector markets much later.

 

Just some of my thoughts.

 

Patrick

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Patrick,

Great questions all, and let me answer them and then I will tell you what I have been told regarding these wings (And again sorry about the pictures, I really need a new camera, it’s amazing what a 7 year old can do to one of these! ).

1. Yes, the hardware it 100 % right and matches other LGB wings I have owned.

2. Size: yes, Location: yes, Font: yes, LGB mark: yes , Sterling: Well I did have a problem with this, but I have since learned ( from this forum actually) that this in a valid mark

3. Yes, these have the patina you would expect of wings from the 40's at least. And they are very heavy, thick strikes.

When I bought these about 10 years ago, from a dealer who didn't usually sell wings, I was told that they were WWII era strikes (my word not his) . To back this up the standard balloon wing was on an old sales card, with the “"Keep em flying" logo”. Found in the 70’s during a base closing. Everything about these wings is stone cold right. HOWEVER, I was told by a VERY advanced collector that the rumor was that these were made in the early 70s by LGB, using original dies AND hardware. SO what do I have here? Thoughts?

 

Paul


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Everything I say is my opinion; the only thing of which I am certain is that there is very little of which one can be certain.

 


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Lots of fake and fantasy WWI style wings currently listed on ebay starting at $99.99 a piece. (See ebay listings #160447430534, #160447428950, #160447426936, #160446783275, & #160446787016).

Buyer beware!

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