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They even did a post War parachute para wing! Looks great, yes?! All in sterling silver. Buyer beware!

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This J.R. Gaunt TO wing was just listed on Ebay. The TO wing is fraught with fakes. What does everyone think? :thumbdown: :thumbsup:

 

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My first definite fake - a decent casting. Sorry the scans aren't great. A $15 eBay pick up with bad picks. Very finely and clearly stamped STERLING behind the highly concave balloon. Typical waxy look/feel with some casting seams along the top edge and some casting pockmarks on the reverse of the balloon. Weight, 17.14g (without clutches), 75.3mm long, 25.1mm tall.

 

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This J.R. Gaunt TO wing was just listed on Ebay. The TO wing is fraught with fakes. What does everyone think? :thumbdown: :thumbsup:

 

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It went for a little over $200. Someone either got a good buy or flushed $200.

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Sgt. Isaac Willis, Company G, 73rd Ohio Volunteer Infantry, 11th Army Corps, KIA, Gettysburg, Pa., 2 July 1863 Great Great Uncle

 

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And another...

 

I have one of these Flight Engineer wings that I picked up several years ago. The patina is looks really good and that points out the dangers of relying on patina. Some of these restrikes have been around so long that they have that "old" look.

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Sgt. Isaac Willis, Company G, 73rd Ohio Volunteer Infantry, 11th Army Corps, KIA, Gettysburg, Pa., 2 July 1863 Great Great Uncle

 

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Here is a wing on ebay right now that I think is not so good :thumbdown:

 

I had heard that this 6 pointed star was a fantasy hallmark.

 

The detail seems to be excellent, but I have my doubts.

 

Any other ideas?

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Here is a wing on ebay right now that I think is not so good :thumbdown:

 

I had heard that this 6 pointed star was a fantasy hallmark.

 

The detail seems to be excellent, but I have my doubts.

 

Any other ideas?

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Hi Patrick,

 

A thread about one of those badges was posted by John Cooper back in November 2009. Pull it up here:

 

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ind...showtopic=58802

 

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Patrick,

 

Speaking of hallmarks, what is your opinion on this bad boy??

 

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Hey Cliff,

 

Forgot about that other thread.

 

Honestly, it seems kind of questionable to me--looks like a double strike and the fonts seem off to me. However, I have to be clear and say I have almost no experience with these wings. I know a couple of nice Josten balloon pilot and senior pilot wings are/were recently on ebay and went for big money. Myself, I would want to study these carefully.

 

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So, Cliff and a discussion I had with Russ made me wonder about these wings.

 

From a previous thread, Cliff asserts that at least 8 makers of sterling airship wings: http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ind...=35949&st=0

 

Josten is not one of them.

 

1. AECo

2. BB&B

3. From Official Die

4. Kinney

5. NS Meyer NYC

6. V.H. Blackinton

7. Wm. Link.

8. Also, the unknown wing badge manufacturer who made the die. It was found among several military dies at a company called Karat Gold in New York, NY.

 

From another previous thread, an airship wing hallmarked Pasquali that seemed to be agreed was a reproduction. NOTE: I don't want to point the finger at another person's badge and exclaim it is a fake. Lets just assume for the sake of argument that it is not a vintage wing.

 

And the comparison of the Josten wing. Things to note, the Pasquali (reproduction?) and the Josten wing are the same pattern. The two differences are in the hallmark and in the catch and hinge are a bit different.

 

According to Cliff, neither company made airship wings. In fact, Pasquali likely never made any wings themselves, but rather got their stock from Blackinton. This seems to be an accepted truth.

 

So, I guess the question is, if the Pasquali hallmark has been added to a reproduction wing (or maybe a Blackinton-made wing sold by Pasquali), are the Josten hallmarked wings (on a very similar wing) also reproductions or Blackinton-made wings?

 

I have never heard of Josten making airship wings, the hallmark doesn't look as well made as other Josten hallmarks of wings I have seen, and I have never heard that Josten got its wings from another company. Of course, my ignorance is not proof of anything other than I am stupid, but still..... considering the likelyhood that this will be a very expensive auction, one does wonder???

 

Also, is it me, but does it seem that the most recent Pink and Green book went from being a well researched and critical examination of USAAF wings, to a catalog of someone's very expensive (and currently being auctioned off) collection? :think:

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Here is another airship wing be auctioned off with a near identical wing, but this one is marked with the NS Meyer hallmark.

 

Again, it is hard to know what to think, but 3 wings with incised hallmarks. All the same pattern wing.

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Patrick - great comparison and observation! So same die different names... :think:

 

While we are on the topic I wanted to add this to the mix... I thought about this when looking at the photos Cliff posted in post #141\2 plus in post #51. Not an exact match but thought I would add it in for discussion.

 

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Hi Patrick,

 

Did you ever study forensic science? I ask that because the questions you raised about those Airship pilot badges accompanied with the pictures that were posted should have raised more than an eyebrow or two. Wow!

 

Maybe to stir the pot a little bit more, I've added pictures of two balloon pilot badges below. Won't say anything about number 1 except that it caused me to raise both eyebrows while looking at it.

 

Now badge number 2 was/is a Balfour *re-strike that was sent to me on approval by a well known dealer back in 1990. Unfortunately, it would not lay flat on the Xerox machine while trying to make the picture thus the top of the badge was at an elevated angle which makes the front appear more compressed than badge number 1.

 

*Yes, in the late 1980s Balfour actually made several re-strikes of balloon pilot badges using their original die...and they might do it again if ever asked. So did they also make any senior airship pilot re-strikes in the 1980s? Who can say except that these days we all need to keep our guard up.

 

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Does any one have a logical explanation why this or any other maker during World War II would placed the number '9' below their hallmark?

 

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