tidballman Posted August 25, 2014 Share #1 Posted August 25, 2014 Hello friends. Picked up some uniform items from a USAF Lt. Colonel. What is this sew-on patch of 4 little silver thread stars and 1 gold thread star, located on the right sleeve cuff of his CWU-27p flight suit? Photos below, I'd be grateful for any help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwb123 Posted August 26, 2014 Share #2 Posted August 26, 2014 I may be way off, but I think that might be a rank insignia for one of our allies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m1ashooter Posted August 26, 2014 Share #3 Posted August 26, 2014 No idea and I'm a USAF guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidballman Posted August 27, 2014 Author Share #4 Posted August 27, 2014 I may be way off, but I think that might be a rank insignia for one of our allies. I, at first considered the same, however the suit does have clear vinyl covered Lt Colonel silver oak leaves sewn on to the shoulder straps. I've never seen such a patch, the stars are fine metallic threads, 4 silver stars and 1 gold. I'm stumped and definitely need the forum's expert help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidballman Posted September 14, 2014 Author Share #5 Posted September 14, 2014 I have shown these photos to tons of USAF guys..and no one seems to know. Hoping I can bump this up for some fresh eyes to see it? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uniformcollector Posted September 14, 2014 Share #6 Posted September 14, 2014 Could it be possible that it's a non-regulation mission tally? Just a crazy idea... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidballman Posted September 14, 2014 Author Share #7 Posted September 14, 2014 Could it be possible that it's a non-regulation mission tally? Just a crazy idea... I've looked into that, but have found nothing. Does anyone know anything about USAF personnel assigned to the Air Force Space Command or US Space Command? I wonder if this Lt Colonel may have been attached to them and this patch represents something in the Space Command? Still searching here....I've never seen it before and it must mean something if he had it on his sleeve cuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toadboy65 Posted September 15, 2014 Share #8 Posted September 15, 2014 I asked my Dad, a fighter pilot and Brig. General in the USAF, and he replied with the following- "My best guess is each stat represents a mig kill and that could only belong to an Air Force WSO (back seater that got the same credit as the frontseater. The name that comes to mind is Feinstein or something like that. He was in F-4s and I did not know him." hope it helps. toad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidballman Posted September 18, 2014 Author Share #9 Posted September 18, 2014 Thanks to everyone who offered suggestions on what this sleeve cuff patch is. I've been unable to ID it in almost a month, and since it has been stripped of all insignia other than the LT. Colonel ranks and this cuff patch, I am going to pass it on to a friend to sell for me. Perhaps the new owner will have better luck than I in answering this mystery. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin B. Posted October 16, 2014 Share #10 Posted October 16, 2014 I came across a 1991 article from the Hampton Roads VA Daily Press. From the article: "At Langley those who served in combat literally wear it on their sleeves. The visible sign of combat flight time is a gold star on the right sleeve cuff. Normally, Air Force pilots sport a silver star for every 500 hours of flying time. The Navy has no official outward sign for fliers on their flight suits [...]" Justin B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin B. Posted October 16, 2014 Share #11 Posted October 16, 2014 Another reference from Google, an article about F-15's from Flying magazine, February 1988: "At any rate, he's still not considered "experienced" in his fighter until he's logged 500 hours in it. (Each 500 hours he logs is indicated by a small silver star on the right sleeve of his flight suit. Combat time gets him a gold star, each 500 hours of combat time means another gold star.)" Justin B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbinephalen Posted October 17, 2014 Share #12 Posted October 17, 2014 Very interesting! I love learning more about my services heritage! Great detective work fellas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tidballman Posted October 21, 2014 Author Share #13 Posted October 21, 2014 I came across a 1991 article from the Hampton Roads VA Daily Press. From the article: "At Langley those who served in combat literally wear it on their sleeves. The visible sign of combat flight time is a gold star on the right sleeve cuff. Normally, Air Force pilots sport a silver star for every 500 hours of flying time. The Navy has no official outward sign for fliers on their flight suits [...]"Justin B. WOW!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you a ton....I had given up hope of ever figuring this one out! Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin B. Posted October 21, 2014 Share #14 Posted October 21, 2014 Glad to help. Justin B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMCA05 Posted October 17, 2015 Share #15 Posted October 17, 2015 Those stars were used by TAC (Tactical Air Command) in the late 1980's, they were discontinued following the first Gulf War mostly in part due to jealousy. Before the Gulf War, only the few Vietnam Veterans still on active duty had any gold stars, and also the F-111 guys who flew into Libya. After the Gulf War, there was the "Been there, done that pilots, and the "sorry, you missed out pilots". TAC discontinued the stars as a result of jealousy. Only TAC used them, not PACAF or USAFE. They were for Fighter time only, not bomber or transport time. Each star represents 500 hours of actual fighter time. If you saw combat during that 500 hours, then the star was gold. If you had over 501 hours of combat time, you had 2 gold stars. The flight suit you have indicates the pilot had between 2500-2999 total hours of fighter time, and between 1-499 hours of that was in combat. If a TAC pilot had FAC (Forward Air Control) time, such as in an OV-10 or O-1, he would wear diamonds instead of stars. Diamonds were very rarely worn, mainly because most young FACs in the 1980's would just not wear them. They let that honor go only to the older Vietnam veteran pilots, who were considered "Career FAC's". In 1990, I had seen Career FACs who had 15-20 diamonds on their sleeves, many of them being gold. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carbinephalen Posted October 19, 2015 Share #16 Posted October 19, 2015 Very in depth Dave, you're an asset to the forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hudson Posted November 20, 2015 Share #17 Posted November 20, 2015 Thanks for the great explanations! I got this flight suit from a retired Lt. General who had some 900 hours of combat time. I was at a loss about the stars, but sure enough a google search of the forum brought up this thread. There was one of these flight hours patches loose with the grouping and that had me mystified even before I saw one on the flight suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kammo-man Posted November 21, 2015 Share #18 Posted November 21, 2015 Thats great intel. owen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KurtA Posted November 22, 2015 Share #19 Posted November 22, 2015 I learned something new! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattS Posted November 22, 2015 Share #20 Posted November 22, 2015 Very cool! I've never seen this before, but now I'll have to examine those surplus flight suits a little closer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hudson Posted November 22, 2015 Share #21 Posted November 22, 2015 Those stars were used by TAC (Tactical Air Command) in the late 1980's... Dave The officer who wore the flight suit I posted was a Colonel from 1981 to 1989 before getting his first star. His Colonel time was filled with TAC assignments: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hink441 Posted January 6, 2019 Share #22 Posted January 6, 2019 Recently picked up a flight suit with the stars on the right cuff. I like these patches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefighter Posted January 10, 2019 Share #23 Posted January 10, 2019 Cool stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilippineBuckles Posted January 17, 2019 Share #24 Posted January 17, 2019 @Chris -- Thanks for reviving this post! I learned something new and really cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hink441 Posted July 2, 2020 Share #25 Posted July 2, 2020 Found some more the other day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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