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WW11 Submarine Badge Engraved on Reverse To Sailor


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Interesting thoughts on the engraving. I have one, as mentioned in one of the above posts, that looks to have been done by the same person. However, the recipient was never on the Char. Not sure where they would have been done, but my badge is also another unmarked blackinton.
At some point I'll have to dig it out and photograph it.

 

 

Engraved submarine combat badges are rare. Even more so when they were done by a jeweler, which this one seems to be be. It makes me wonder about the circumstances behind this engraving. My initial thought was that this badge was part of a larger group formally awarded to the crew of the Charr after an especially meritorious mission. In researching Charr's history I found that the recipient( a plankowner) was aboard when the submarine escorted a badly damaged Dutch submarine back to Australia. I'm speculating of course but it wouldn't surprise me if the Dutch crew had these pins engraved and presented them in thanks to the crew of Charr. The Fremantle connection to the subs is interesting, as a large number of USN submarine items from Perth are beautifully engraved, either by a local jeweler or a skilled person aboard a tender.

-Specializing in WWII (and earlier) Submarine material. Enthusiast of history and artifacts from all service branches.

 

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Thanks for your thoughts an interesting idea

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A little more info on your sailor

 

Ezra Sentman Geiselman, Jr

b. 3 Nov 1923 Waynesboro, PA

d. 20 Feb 1995 Clearville, PA

Navy

Enlisted 15 Jan 1942 Baltimore, MD

Discharged 21 Oct 1945 Bainbridge, MD

 

Final rate: EM1c - Electrician's Mate 1st Class

 

  • Transported from NOB Norfolk, VA on the USS Harris (AP-8) 15 Dec 1942 and transferred to Submarine Squadron 3 (SubRon3) at Coco Solo, Canal Zone (CZ) on 25 Dec 1942.
  • Onboard USS S-13 (SS-118) from 9 Jan 1943 to 21 Jun 1944 (with treatment at the USNH at Coco Solo, CZ from 12 Feb - 19 Feb 1943)
  • Tranferred 21 Jun 1944 to Subbase, New London, CT, then to New York, NY onboard the PC-1245.
  • Onboard USS Charr (SS-328) from Subbase New London 23 Sep 1944 through 29 Aug 1945
  • 29 Aug 1945 transferred to Sub Division 301 for duty.

USS S-13 was here during his time onboard:

  • Aug 1942 - Jan 1944 - Panama Canal area
  • Feb 1944 - May 1944 - Trinidad
  • May 1944 - Jul 1944 - Guantanamo Bay

USS Charr did three war patrols:

  • Dec 1944 - Mar 1945
  • Mar 1945 - May 1945
  • Jun 1945 - Jul 1945

Charr was only given Pacific Theater campaign credit for the 2nd War Patrol since it was deemed "successful."

 

So Geiselman would have been eligible for the American Campaign Medal, Asiatic-Pacific w/ 1 star, and WWII Victory at a mininum. Might have also gotten a Good Conduct Medal.

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A little more info on your sailor

 

Ezra Sentman Geiselman, Jr

b. 3 Nov 1923 Waynesboro, PA

d. 20 Feb 1995 Clearville, PA

Navy

Enlisted 15 Jan 1942 Baltimore, MD

Discharged 21 Oct 1945 Bainbridge, MD

 

Final rate: EM1c - Electrician's Mate 1st Class

 

 

  • Transported from NOB Norfolk, VA on the USS Harris (AP-8) 15 Dec 1942 and transferred to Submarine Squadron 3 (SubRon3) at Coco Solo, Canal Zone (CZ) on 25 Dec 1942.
  • Onboard USS S-13 (SS-118) from 9 Jan 1943 to 21 Jun 1944 (with treatment at the USNH at Coco Solo, CZ from 12 Feb - 19 Feb 1943)
  • Tranferred 21 Jun 1944 to Subbase, New London, CT, then to New York, NY onboard the PC-1245.
  • Onboard USS Charr (SS-328) from Subbase New London 23 Sep 1944 through 29 Aug 1945
  • 29 Aug 1945 transferred to Sub Division 301 for duty.
USS S-13 was here during his time onboard:

  • Aug 1942 - Jan 1944 - Panama Canal area
  • Feb 1944 - May 1944 - Trinidad
  • May 1944 - Jul 1944 - Guantanamo Bay
USS Charr did three war patrols:

  • Dec 1944 - Mar 1945
  • Mar 1945 - May 1945
  • Jun 1945 - Jul 1945
Charr was only given Pacific Theater campaign credit for the 2nd War Patrol since it was deemed "successful."

 

So Geiselman would have been eligible for the American Campaign Medal, Asiatic-Pacific w/ 1 star, and WWII Victory at a mininum. Might have also gotten a Good Conduct Medal.

. No Good Conduct, they required 4 years at that time. The three year GCM came in at the end of the 1990s.
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. No Good Conduct, they required 4 years at that time. The three year GCM came in at the end of the 1990s.

 

You're right about the 4 year requirement for USN personnel. But US Naval Reservists and inductees were eligible for a GCM with 3 years of continuous service in time of national emergency or war during that time period. Of course they still needed a clear record and a proficiency average of 3.5.

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A nice example, with very nice period hand-engraving. $35 is pretty insulting. I would have thought $100-150 because of the engraving. The $200+ ones on eBay will CONTINUE to sit there for years!

 

Regards

Mike

accurate IMO..

 

I picked up a few un-named in the 45-55 dollar range (lucky bids).

 

I would pay around 100-125 personally due to the lack of any patrol stars.

 

-Brian

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