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Hi all,

 

I received this as an extra to a belt I was interested in.

This revolver holster is around 12" long.

It is marked on the back R.I.A./1909/ E.J.

 

I could not find any info on it. Does anyone out there have any helpful clues.

thanks,

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I believe it is a .38 cal revolver. There is a very similar version, though a bit larger, for the M1917 .45 revolver.

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Thats a nice holster I know that. I believe TJM is right, a .38 revolver holster.

 

 

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Thank you both for your comments.

I was told by some one that this is a: "Model 1903 US Cavalry Holster Fifth Type."

I am wondering if this is a true statement.

Anyone?

 

Pep


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It may have been used by the cavalry, but I believe all authorized a .38 would have used them. Mine has Artillery unit markings.

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Thanks again TJM.

 

Yeah I agree, Cav type so what. I think they were used by all branches.

 

Is it a rare bird? Is it truly a 5th type?

 

Pep


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From the date I guess it was the last .38 holster produced by RIA but what I find unusual are the markings. Years ago I bought a relic for restoring project purpose and it has the classic spelled RIA and TCC inspector.

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Thanks Artu.

 

I have received this additional info regarding markings from I'm told the Meadow's book.

 

"The body is embossed "US" in an oval. The back of the belt loop is marked Rock Island/Arsenal/(Date)/Inspectors initials/ in four lines. Some late specimens are dated R.I.A./ Date/ inspectors initials/ in three lines. "

 

So I guess this is a late specimen?

 

Pep


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I don't think it could be considered rare, but it is never-the-less harder to locate than say a .45 revolver or standard 1911 holster.

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I don't think it could be considered rare, but it is never-the-less harder to locate than say a .45 revolver or standard 1911 holster.

 

Of course you are referring to the M1917 revolver because holster for the M1909 .45 revolver is a lot much harder to find than the .38 one.


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I want you holster and belt knowledge gurus to tell me how close I am on what I posted here.Heres a holster and couple belts I have that I thought I'd post pictures of. I use to know all about the holster but have forgotten I think it's the M1903 model for the Colt .38 DA with the RIA 1903 date and inspectors initials on the front of the flap I think the later M1909s all have the stamps on the back. I think the thong ring and thong were later modifications maybe done in 1909? The Mills belt is the 1892 infantry model Kenneth Mcpheeters claims these were used into the ealry 1900s I'm not for sure though I think maybe by malitia units possibly. The garrison belt is a M1903 dated 1903 with a cartridge box also dated 1903 all of the leather was inspected by T.C. I use to know who this was but again have forgotten you know it's the 58 year old brain not working as well as it use to!! :think:

 

 

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Well, as far as I know very early .38 1903 holsters are inspected by T.C. (later T.C.C. and H.E.K.) and dont have the ring for the leg thong. Moreover are marked on the front flap. There are beautiful piscs of such a model in a past topic here. So the one pictured is not a "very early" but for sure an "early". Note that M1909 is a.45 holster, not a .38 one.


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My mistake artu44 I should have posted with a previous M1903 .38 DA post. I knew when I first aquired this holster that it was an early M1903 that had been modified later with the plug and ring for the thong. Maybe someday I'll come across one that hasn't been modified but I have to many irons in the fire now working on getting mounted 1909 and 1910 cartridge belts.


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My mistake artu44 I should have posted with a previous M1903 .38 DA post. I knew when I first aquired this holster that it was an early M1903 that had been modified later with the plug and ring for the thong. Maybe someday I'll come across one that hasn't been modified but I have to many irons in the fire now working on getting mounted 1909 and 1910 cartridge belts.

I think the best choice for your holster would be an early M1903 ctg belt with the sabre hanger.


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Thanks artu44 I have a first pattern M1903 rimless eagle snap Cavalry cartridge belt with the saber hanger. I have other plans for it on a Punitive Expedition display with a M1912 holster for the 1911 with it. I'll just stick the M1903 and the Mills 1892 with my loose items until I can put something together with it. I presently have them on an early 1900s militia mounted artillery display which I'm going to dissect to make a SAW display, see I told you to many irons in the fire! :crying:


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Thanks artu44 I have a first pattern M1903 rimless eagle snap Cavalry cartridge belt with the saber hanger. I have other plans for it on a Punitive Expedition display with a M1912 holster for the 1911 with it. I'll just stick the M1903 and the Mills 1892 with my loose items until I can put something together with it. I presently have them on an early 1900s militia mounted artillery display which I'm going to dissect to make a SAW display, see I told you to many irons in the fire! :crying:

I see.


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These are M1896 holsters for the .38LC Army DA revolver produced in the russet leather from 1903 to 1911. Prior to that they were black. In 1903 markings were moved from the front flap to the back. 1904 the leg thong ring was added. In 1907 cresent stitching was added. 1909 the elk skin thong added to the belt loop. DSC03538.jpg

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These are M1896 holsters for the .38LC Army DA revolver produced in the russet leather from 1903 to 1911. Prior to that they were black. In 1903 markings were moved from the front flap to the back. 1904 the leg thong ring was added. In 1907 cresent stitching was added. 1909 the elk skin thong added to the belt loop. DSC03538.jpg

VERY good summation. I copied your info and saved it on my computer for future reference. All I need to do now is remember that I have it! I will add something if you don't mind and you can correct me if I am wrong. You will find earlier than 1904 dated holsters with the ring in the toe and that is because some existing holsters were modified or updated with the installation of the ring. Thanks.


Check out my website of Military Relics and Collectibles: http://www.ourboysof98.com
I try to update it by adding several new items each month, so keep checking back.

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Thank you for the information I knew this a few years back but this time I'm following Keith and copied it for future reference. I may have to invest in Edward S. Meadows book. Thanks guys


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Excellent tips Cadet. Me too copied infos.


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I use to stole reference pics everywhere, most from ebay, and here is a sample of a late 1903 marked on the back.

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Arturo is correct that most earlier ones were modified with later changes. Note also that the body shape changed about 1906/1907as on the two on the right.

See picture l-r: Black pre 1902 holster modified with 1904 leg tie, 1907 cresent stitching, and 1909 elk skin thong grommets. 1902 brown holster with no modifications(very rare). 1903 brown holster modified with 1904 leg tie down(different type), but no cresent stitching and no 1909 elk skin thong grommets. 1906 brown holster with all modification. Last 1909 brown with out the 1909 elk skin thong grommetsDSC05700.jpg.DSC05702.jpg.DSC05703.jpg

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Great pictures of your fantastic holsters and thanks for the information.


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Hate to grave dig, but what exactly was the elk thong for on the M1909 holsters? Threading through a belt eyelet to hold it in place?


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