relichelmet Posted June 8, 2008 Share #1 Posted June 8, 2008 I have been running ads in my local newspaper looking for militaria, today a guy who used to collect cameras called me, I bought this Graphic "45" camera from him. The camera came to Iceland with the US army in the war, he thought that the camera was from 1940. I havent found much info on these online but I read somewhere that early in the war they used cameras in a wooden box like this one. Any ideas of the maker year on this one and does anyone else have similar cameras in their collections? Any opinions and thougts on this on? Best Regards Thorsteinn. I love the OD strap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADMIN Posted June 8, 2008 Share #2 Posted June 8, 2008 Can you post a closeup of what the lens says? You can often date them by the letters on the Kodak Ektar lens. Never seen one like this. The standard for that period was a military version of the Anniversary Speed Graphic (which was made from about 1940 to 1946). The lens may be one of the hard-coated versions, which they started putting into military use about 1942. Each of cameras were entirely american made and came in 4X5 format for military use, hence the "Graphic '45'" on the side. One of the best features was the relatively new supermatic shutter (around the lens you'll probably see those words). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherokee tj Posted June 8, 2008 Share #3 Posted June 8, 2008 Wow, that's really cool, thats the kind of militaria I like to see, the things you don't see often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtdorango Posted June 8, 2008 Share #4 Posted June 8, 2008 maybe there is still some film in there!!!!???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relichelmet Posted June 8, 2008 Author Share #5 Posted June 8, 2008 Admin thanks for the info the lens reads among some other things NO.2 Kodak Supermatic, I hope these two pictures of the lense are sufficent othervise please let me know, It also has a serial number on the wood inside the lense box that reads 2231. Cherokee I am glad you like it. Sgt Dorango, I hadn't thought about that!! I will have to check that out Best Regards Thorsteinn. One with the flash on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hudson Posted June 9, 2008 Share #6 Posted June 9, 2008 The "Graphic 45" was apparently a Speed Graphic model produced near the end of the war and not too many were actually used in combat. Prior to that the military had used a standard Speed Graphic (the workhorse camera of photojournalists for many, many years) that had a bellows. The Graphic 45 had no bellows and for military issue was labeled "Camera, Combat Graphic." After the war Graflex relabeled them as "Graphic 45" for sale to the civilian market (they were still olive drab or gray - the Navy used the gray version, the Marines the OD). I have read of this late-WWII model still being issued during the Vietnam War (one source says they were produced in 1944 and 1946). There is a civilian version like yours for sale for $1000 at http://www.cameraquest.com/frames/4saleLF.htm - The version most used (including for the famous Iwo Jima flag-raising photo) was pretty much and off-the-shelf Speed Graphic with bellows. They did get around to producing a version with no shiny chrome, but lots of combat photographers used the regular civilian version which looked much like this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunbarrel Posted June 9, 2008 Share #7 Posted June 9, 2008 Very cool camera I looked through pictures of WWII photographers with their cameras and saw nothing like it. This one is close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunbarrel Posted June 9, 2008 Share #8 Posted June 9, 2008 The descrpition for this photo appears below. Check out the Corpsman Knife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunbarrel Posted June 9, 2008 Share #9 Posted June 9, 2008 On the back of the photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunbarrel Posted June 9, 2008 Share #10 Posted June 9, 2008 A couple of color photos. Check out the machete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunbarrel Posted June 9, 2008 Share #11 Posted June 9, 2008 Photographer in the ETO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hudson Posted June 9, 2008 Share #12 Posted June 9, 2008 Very cool camera I looked through pictures of WWII photographers with their cameras and saw nothing like it. This one is close. That's a model with bellows - they are not racked out very far in this image (no innuendo intended). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hudson Posted June 9, 2008 Share #13 Posted June 9, 2008 Photographer in the ETO. That's a small movie camera, probably 16mm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunbarrel Posted June 9, 2008 Share #14 Posted June 9, 2008 That's a model with bellows - they are not racked out very far in this image (no innuendo intended). Wasn't she a cutie, though? I mean the camera, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orgone Posted June 9, 2008 Share #15 Posted June 9, 2008 There is a civilian version like yours for sale for $1000 at http://www.cameraquest.com/frames/4saleLF.htm - A Thousand Dollars for one of these! I believe thats whats called wishful thinking. These are cool cameras, but I've seen them at cameras shows for quite a bit less. A couple of years ago, I bought a US Army OD Green WW2 Speed Graphic press camera in it's original carrying case with accessories out of an estate. I wanted to take pictures with it, but then found out what it would cost to have the film processed and printed. I finally sold the camera for about $300. after carrying it around a while. Excellent condition civilian models can usually be had for about $150. to $500. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relichelmet Posted June 9, 2008 Author Share #16 Posted June 9, 2008 Thanks for all the info, I paid about $250 dollars for it. He also said he had another camera wich is smaller in a leather case that came with the army but that is probably a civilian model of some kind, he is going to call me when he finds it. Best Regards Thorsteinn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hudson Posted June 9, 2008 Share #17 Posted June 9, 2008 Thanks for all the info, I paid about $250 dollars for it. He also said he had another camera wich is smaller in a leather case that came with the army but that is probably a civilian model of some kind, he is going to call me when he finds it. Best Regards Thorsteinn. $250 is a good price. I found one completed auction in the UK where one sold for $600. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Willaert Posted June 9, 2008 Share #18 Posted June 9, 2008 Here's a picture of my 1944 Graflex Speed Graphic as used by the Signal Corps Photographers. Some Speed Graphics had the PH-47 Dataplate on top, but some were rushed from production into combat use, with only a SC orange inspection stamp which mine has on the back. These camera's were part of the Set PH-104, described here: http://pagesperso-orange.fr/willysmb/PH-10...ture_104_FR.htm Here's another picture showing the other standard SC Camera PH-324 (Kodak 35) next to the SG for size: And here's a wartime picture of a SG in use by the SC in Normandy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relichelmet Posted June 9, 2008 Author Share #19 Posted June 9, 2008 $250 is a good price. I found one completed auction in the UK where one sold for $600. Yes this post made me happy and Johan, that is a great camera you got there, I see it is a part of a display and a glimpse of another camera there could you post the whole display please I am curious. Best Regards Thorsteinn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johan Willaert Posted June 9, 2008 Share #20 Posted June 9, 2008 I see it is a part of a display and a glimpse of another camera there could you post the whole display please I am curious. The other camera's not military and not mine and I didn't take that picture. I do however have most of the set with the carrying case, tripod, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADMIN Posted June 9, 2008 Share #21 Posted June 9, 2008 See on your lens it says EE1002. The EE is actually a letter coded date of your lens. E corresponds with the number "4" which means it was made in 1944. As far as your style of camera, my guess is that the wood box was a modification for colder climates where actually bellows with the metal guides would not work and/or stand up to the elements. Something like this would therefore be seen only in places like Alaska, Iceland, or US bases in cold climates. I've looked and looked but I seem to recall a picture of one of these types of cameras in use by a navy photographer when they went to Antarctica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hudson Posted June 9, 2008 Share #22 Posted June 9, 2008 See on your lens it says EE1002. The EE is actually a letter coded date of your lens. E corresponds with the number "4" which means it was made in 1944. As far as your style of camera, my guess is that the wood box was a modification for colder climates where actually bellows with the metal guides would not work and/or stand up to the elements. Something like this would therefore be seen only in places like Alaska, Iceland, or US bases in cold climates. I've looked and looked but I seem to recall a picture of one of these types of cameras in use by a navy photographer when they went to Antarctica. The concern actually was that the leather on the Anniversary models rotted in the tropics - that and the fact that bellows are made of cloth and were susceptible to damage. From what I have read, this style of Graflex 4x5 was made under contract for the Marines and Navy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relichelmet Posted June 9, 2008 Author Share #23 Posted June 9, 2008 Again guys I really appreciate the info my hats off to all of you. Best Regards from Iceland....Thorsteinn. P.S. I found this picture online it is a part of a panel at the National World War Two Memorial, Washington, D.C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collector Posted June 11, 2008 Share #24 Posted June 11, 2008 That other camera looks like the military model of the Kodak 35. If memory servers, Kodak made those formerly civilian cameras only for the Signal Corps for the duration. The other camera's not military and not mine and I didn't take that picture. I do however have most of the set with the carrying case, tripod, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emile way Posted July 21, 2008 Share #25 Posted July 21, 2008 Hello, you can find more info on the complete set (in french) at this link: http://pagesperso-orange.fr/willysmb/overl...lex1944usmc.htm Cheers Emile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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