"Authentication of WWII USMC Camouflage-Methodology".

[victorydoc]

ok lets start down the long road of hammering out a method in which to authenticate USMC WWII USMC camouflage. if we could I would like to leave some wiggle room so that we might be able to use this sytem beyond just P-42 and P-44 clothing and possibly extend it to shelter halves, and other clothing and field gear. what follows is my first attempt at a framework in which we can think. I figure build the house before we start decorating... I will need your help. I know how to break apart complex problems but I dont have the answers to fill in the framework. I know the brain trust out there does. OK here goes...

 

Authentication of WWII USMC Camouflage- Frame work

 

MATERIAL: 1) weave 2) thread count 3) weight of material in ounces per unit length to be determined 4) treatments 5) color of background 6) color of foliage 7) overall camo pattern 8) reversibility 9) black light effect

 

THREAD: 1) color 2) material 3) weight 4) black light effect

 

BUTTONS: 1) color 2) number of holes 3) pattern of holes 4) size of holes 5) shape of holes 6) material 7) markings 8) size 9) black light effect 10) magnet effect

 

SNAPS : 1) color 2) fastener type 3) maker markings 4) material 5) shape 6) lettering 7) size 8) magnet effect 9) paint

 

POLE SNAPS: 1) color 2) fastener type 3) maker markings 4) material 5) shape 6) lettering 7) size 8) magnet effect 9) paint

ZIPPERS: 1) maker 2) length 3) material 4) shape detail 5) margin color 6) color 7) magnet effect 8) black light effect

GROMMETS: 1) color 2) overall size 3) material 4) location 5) shape 6) magnet effect 7) paint 8) markings 9) hole size

DRAWSTRINGS: 1) color 2) material 3) weave 4) end finish 5) black light effect 6) length

 

ROPE: 1) color 2) material 3) weave 4) end finish 5) black light effect 6) length

TAGS: 1) size 2) location 3) content 4) lettering font 5) lettering size 6) lettering color 7) material 8) black light effect

MARKINGS: 1) size 2) location 3) font style 4) font size 5) font color 6) content 7) black light effect

LAYOUT: 1) pocket location 2) pocket number 3) snap/button/grommet/drawstring location 4) snap/button/grommet/drawstring number 5) flap number 6) flap location

 

CONSTRUCTION: 1) collar ( shape, size, attachment) 2) cuff- ankle/wrist ( shape, size, attachment) 3) waist ( shape,size, attachment) 4) axilla ( simple or gusset) 5) crotch (simple or gusset) 6) pockets ( shape, size, flap present or absent, number, button/snap/none) 7) button holes ( shape, size, stitch pattern) 8) stitch pattern ( bar tack number, bar tack size, bar tack location, box stitch size, box stitch number, box stitch location, material margin finish stitch type, orientation of overall material weave, techniques of attachment of arms, legs, collars, cuffs, flaps.

 

ok thats it for starters let me know your thoughts!!! best, frank

[victorydoc]

btw a great blog if you havent seen this one. we can do better!!! http://m1pencil.wordpress.com/2011/09/20/p42-camouflage-jacket-comparision-original-vs-repro/ best, frank

[victorydoc]

if we can attack the framework first, eliminate the duplication or frivoulous, add things I havent thought of, and clean it up, then we can go step by step through it talking about what we know and filling in the blanks. we'll then know what we dont know and seek those answers. then we will have to compare what we know to the fakes out there and create our identification key.

[kammo-man]

This is the funniest post I have read in ages

 

 

Owen

[victorydoc]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/201096224503?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_462wt_1009 this looks like a great example of why i think criteria number one should be material and weave. this appears to be true HBT and not army interrupted HBT as all usmc camo material was. I couldnt figure out how to copy the pic so heres the link. your thoughts.