Sully Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 I have no idea what these are. My best guess is some sort of mountain pants. There is a QM tag and a size tag, no other nomenclature. The size is 34x31. Made of a faux sheepskin, button and belt closer at waste and pull strings at the cuffs. Anyone? Always looking for WW1 28th Division; anything, papers, field gear, uniforms, etc. Link to post Share on other sites
Sully Posted April 7, 2014 Author Share Posted April 7, 2014 QM tag Always looking for WW1 28th Division; anything, papers, field gear, uniforms, etc. Link to post Share on other sites
doyler Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 THey look to be a liner for the mountain trousers.There is a parka liner that is similiar but has an ALPACA type lining for the pull over parkas.Also there is a liner for the 3/4 length "trench coat" style parka as well. In Memoriam:Lieutenant J.Kostelec 1-3 First Special Service Force MIA/PD 4 March 1944 ItalyI HAVE SEEN THE ENEMY AND IT IS DAYLIGHTForget about the tips..We'll get hell to pay (AC/DC)"If you cant get out and run with the big dogs then sit on the porch and bark at the cars going by.." Have you Hugged a Clown Today? You Cant Get A Sun Tan On The Moon.. Link to post Share on other sites
Sully Posted April 8, 2014 Author Share Posted April 8, 2014 These don't match either the WW2 Alpaca liners or the post war M1951 liner. Could they even be for Air Crews? Always looking for WW1 28th Division; anything, papers, field gear, uniforms, etc. Link to post Share on other sites
doyler Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Not sure The color of the lining and the backing material is like the ones in the full lenth ski parkas. Maybe these are a early or first pattern liner Typically the Air COrps stuff have the AAF type lables. Maybe we can get Craig Pickerall or Paul (BOGHOTS)to chime in In Memoriam:Lieutenant J.Kostelec 1-3 First Special Service Force MIA/PD 4 March 1944 ItalyI HAVE SEEN THE ENEMY AND IT IS DAYLIGHTForget about the tips..We'll get hell to pay (AC/DC)"If you cant get out and run with the big dogs then sit on the porch and bark at the cars going by.." Have you Hugged a Clown Today? You Cant Get A Sun Tan On The Moon.. Link to post Share on other sites
'Flage Guy Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Any photos of the QM tag? I have a pair of these I've had for many years; will post photos as soon as I shoot them. Support our troops...abandoning the War on Terror is not an affordable luxury.I'm so old, I still call W.W.II U.S. militaria "war surplus". God's blessings in the Name of our Lord Jesus- Jim Robertson Link to post Share on other sites
General Apathy Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 I have no idea what these are. My best guess is some sort of mountain pants. There is a QM tag and a size tag, no other nomenclature. The size is 34x31. Made of a faux sheepskin, button and belt closer at waste and pull strings at the cuffs. Anyone? Hi Sully, I believe them to be trousers, field, pile,, a tentative spec date of P.Q.D. No. 367. May 27 1943 designed to be worn with the 1943 o.d. sateen combat uniform but dropped in favor of field wool combat pants worn as liners. mountain troops did have a similar trouser liner but it was closed with buttons on the side hip, unlike yours with the front strap and buckle closure. ken . Young enough to care and enjoy militaria - Old enough to remember as surplus " Life's too short for reproductions " Life is like a tank of gas, the closer you get to a quarter tank, the faster it goes . Link to post Share on other sites
'Flage Guy Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Sully, here are some shots of a variant of what you have, here showing the great similarities between the Trouser Liner and the Liner for the Reversible Parka-Overcoat. Bought from an advanced collector in the early '90s, he described them as a short-lived cold weather Liner as described by G.A. above... Support our troops...abandoning the War on Terror is not an affordable luxury.I'm so old, I still call W.W.II U.S. militaria "war surplus". God's blessings in the Name of our Lord Jesus- Jim Robertson Link to post Share on other sites
'Flage Guy Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Closer, here with a Parka-Coat Liner more similar in pile color: Support our troops...abandoning the War on Terror is not an affordable luxury.I'm so old, I still call W.W.II U.S. militaria "war surplus". God's blessings in the Name of our Lord Jesus- Jim Robertson Link to post Share on other sites
'Flage Guy Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 The waist area: Support our troops...abandoning the War on Terror is not an affordable luxury.I'm so old, I still call W.W.II U.S. militaria "war surplus". God's blessings in the Name of our Lord Jesus- Jim Robertson Link to post Share on other sites
'Flage Guy Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 And the back; I suspect that the loops at the waist are for the Trouser Suspenders to pass through, to prevent the Liners from sliding down and ending up around the wearer's butt... Support our troops...abandoning the War on Terror is not an affordable luxury.I'm so old, I still call W.W.II U.S. militaria "war surplus". God's blessings in the Name of our Lord Jesus- Jim Robertson Link to post Share on other sites
'Flage Guy Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 The closest thing I can find to a spec tag: Support our troops...abandoning the War on Terror is not an affordable luxury.I'm so old, I still call W.W.II U.S. militaria "war surplus". God's blessings in the Name of our Lord Jesus- Jim Robertson Link to post Share on other sites
'Flage Guy Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 The inside of the waist section: Support our troops...abandoning the War on Terror is not an affordable luxury.I'm so old, I still call W.W.II U.S. militaria "war surplus". God's blessings in the Name of our Lord Jesus- Jim Robertson Link to post Share on other sites
m1ashooter Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 What ever they are they look warm. GOD Bless Texas And All That Serve Her Link to post Share on other sites
'Flage Guy Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 What ever they are they look warm. They are! I tried 'em out when I lived in Houston (21 years) during a really cold "blue norther" season...very comfortable. Support our troops...abandoning the War on Terror is not an affordable luxury.I'm so old, I still call W.W.II U.S. militaria "war surplus". God's blessings in the Name of our Lord Jesus- Jim Robertson Link to post Share on other sites
General Apathy Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Sully, here are some shots of a variant of what you have, here showing the great similarities between the Trouser Liner and the Liner for the Reversible Parka-Overcoat. Bought from an advanced collector in the early '90s, he described them as a short-lived cold weather Liner as described by G.A. above... Hi Flage, nice set of photo's. ken . Young enough to care and enjoy militaria - Old enough to remember as surplus " Life's too short for reproductions " Life is like a tank of gas, the closer you get to a quarter tank, the faster it goes . Link to post Share on other sites
'Flage Guy Posted April 13, 2014 Share Posted April 13, 2014 General- thanks for the comments! I just looked up these Liners in your reference, and you have 2 variations there, Inner Pile and Outer Pile, something I hadn't caught until now. These things seem to be pretty hard to come by! Support our troops...abandoning the War on Terror is not an affordable luxury.I'm so old, I still call W.W.II U.S. militaria "war surplus". God's blessings in the Name of our Lord Jesus- Jim Robertson Link to post Share on other sites
Sully Posted April 15, 2014 Author Share Posted April 15, 2014 General Apathy and 'Flage Guy, thank you for the info and pictures. I didn't realize how uncommon these are. Any idea how many were produced and who would receive them? Always looking for WW1 28th Division; anything, papers, field gear, uniforms, etc. Link to post Share on other sites
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