scottiques Posted February 11, 2014 Share #1 Posted February 11, 2014 I just picked up a small group of images of soldiers from Co. F, 25th Infantry Regiment. All are wearing collar brass with "25, Crossed Rifles, F". This particular soldier is also wearing three overseas service stripes. I know that the 25th Regiment was in Hawaii during WW1, so I would assume the soldier served in another unit during WW1 and then joined the 25th after the War. That would make the photograph 1919- early 1920s. The studio shot is not photographere marked on the mount. Any thoughts on the soldier and value is appreciated. Thanks in advance. Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Ragan Posted February 11, 2014 Share #2 Posted February 11, 2014 During that time frame, Hawaii was considered an overseas posting. I don't think a soldier had to be in Europe to get overseas stripes. Others opinions may vary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiques Posted February 11, 2014 Author Share #3 Posted February 11, 2014 Thanks for the input-- I hadn't thought of that. I thought that they were always for wartime overseas service (as they are today). Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atb Posted February 11, 2014 Share #4 Posted February 11, 2014 They are War Service Chevrons for WW1, not overseas chevrons. Gold-colored for each six months service in the theater of operations, silver-colored for each six months non-theater of operations service and a single blue one could be worn for less than six months service in the theater of operations. I do not know at what point after WW1 the wear of silver and blue chevrons was rescinded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiques Posted February 11, 2014 Author Share #5 Posted February 11, 2014 They are War Service Chevrons for WW1, not overseas chevrons. Gold-colored for each six months service in the theater of operations, silver-colored for each six months non-theater of operations service and a single blue one could be worn for less than six months service in the theater of operations. I do not know at what point after WW1 the wear of silver and blue chevrons was rescinded. Got me real confused-- are not "Overseas Chevrons" the same thing as what you are calling "War Service Chevrons"? Was WSC the official name when adopted? Thanks. Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atb Posted February 12, 2014 Share #6 Posted February 12, 2014 Got me real confused-- are not "Overseas Chevrons" the same thing as what you are calling "War Service Chevrons"? Was WSC the official name when adopted? Thanks. Scott I will check the contemporary Amy Special Regulations to make sure my memory is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atb Posted February 12, 2014 Share #7 Posted February 12, 2014 Change No. 2 to Special Regulation 41, dated 30 Jan 1918 introduced the "Wound Chevron" and the "War Service Chevron" in paragraph 74 1/2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trenchbuff Posted February 12, 2014 Share #8 Posted February 12, 2014 Not sure if I'm adding anything to this but there were two distinct colors for service chevrons. Gold chevrons were issued for overseas service and silver for stateside service. 6 months for each chevron. Hard to tell from the photo but these could be silver. It's a wonderful portrait and since any black memorabilia is very sought after I would put at least a hundred bucks on it if I were to sell it. If you had ID or additional info on the guy, it could be more. Just my fraction of a cent worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atb Posted February 12, 2014 Share #9 Posted February 12, 2014 Gold was for service in the theater of operations. Would six months overseas service elsewhere (like Hawaii) rate a gold chevron or a silver one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiques Posted February 12, 2014 Author Share #10 Posted February 12, 2014 Not sure if I'm adding anything to this but there were two distinct colors for service chevrons. Gold chevrons were issued for overseas service and silver for stateside service. 6 months for each chevron. Hard to tell from the photo but these could be silver. It's a wonderful portrait and since any black memorabilia is very sought after I would put at least a hundred bucks on it if I were to sell it. If you had ID or additional info on the guy, it could be more. Just my fraction of a cent worth. Thanks for the information trenchbuff, I appreciate it. The condition of the photograph really sets it apart. I purchased the image with four other 25th Infantry soldier images. Unfortunately, none are identified, but they all are in similar condition. Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Too Much WW1 Militaria Posted April 24, 2014 Share #11 Posted April 24, 2014 Here's to clearing the mud on this.......... Gold = Overseas theater service on left sleeve, gold worn on the right sleeve is for wounds. Silver = Stateside service, which is any area that fell under a Zone of the Interior, which includes Canal Zone, Hawaii, and the PI Blue - less than six months service in the area that fell under the AEF. In reality, you had two separate armies, the AEF which was directly under Pershing, and everything else which fell under a zone. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiques Posted April 24, 2014 Author Share #12 Posted April 24, 2014 Thanks John. Now to find a way to tell gold and silver apart in a b&w image! Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Too Much WW1 Militaria Posted April 24, 2014 Share #13 Posted April 24, 2014 Scott, They look pretty bright in the B/W photo. You'll never be 100% sure, but I'd bet silver, just given how bright they appear. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1SG_1st_Cav Posted April 25, 2014 Share #14 Posted April 25, 2014 Regardless of the above, that is one very squared-away Trooper! Hoo-ah! Danny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted April 25, 2014 Share #15 Posted April 25, 2014 This extensive and detailed topic lays it all out here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Too Much WW1 Militaria Posted April 25, 2014 Share #16 Posted April 25, 2014 That totally explains the chevron system! A lot better than my quick down and dirty! LOL John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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