rathbonemuseum.com Posted August 21, 2024 #1126 Posted August 21, 2024 I concur. These are well known copies of the Paye and Baker pattern. Cast copies with incorrect US typeface. Compare here
Usa1918 Posted August 23, 2024 #1127 Posted August 23, 2024 Thx, I thought as much. I have no money invested in them. I inherited my WW1 and WW2 wings from a good friend when he passed. Keith
Threewood Posted August 29, 2024 #1128 Posted August 29, 2024 Dondero Pattern Command Pilot. Looks like it was cleaned (sellers other wings look the same). The color of the pin and dull finish has me worried these may have been cleaned with abrasives, like sand. The stress lines in back look legit. No markings at all. My Senior Pilot in this same pattern is marked sterling. Also looks like damage on the bottom of the shield.
5thwingmarty Posted August 29, 2024 #1130 Posted August 29, 2024 I would say it is real, but not a beauty with the damage to the base of the shield. I don't know what they would have done to roll it like this. There does look to be an incised Sterling mark. All the Dondero Senior and Command Pilot wings were made by adding stars or wreaths and stars to regular Pilot wings.
Threewood Posted August 29, 2024 #1131 Posted August 29, 2024 The damage is disappointing. I tried blowing up the picture but couldn't see any markings. It is the first command pilot of this pattern I have seen.
pfrost Posted August 30, 2024 #1132 Posted August 30, 2024 If you want to kick it out of the next... keep me in mind.
B-17Guy Posted August 30, 2024 #1133 Posted August 30, 2024 The wing is good, but by no means rare. Have patience and wait for a better one. When the day comes that you decide to sell, how ever many years away, it is very difficult to sell a poor quality item, but high quality will always sell. John
5thwingmarty Posted August 30, 2024 #1134 Posted August 30, 2024 I agree with John and unless this one is dirt cheap would wait for a better one. I think this is the incised Sterling mark on this wing.
FtrPlt Posted August 31, 2024 #1135 Posted August 31, 2024 Picked this one up at a yard sale recently. Looks like stamped brass. It was going into a dumpster so a $0 rescue. novelty/museum gift shop item?
5thwingmarty Posted August 31, 2024 #1136 Posted August 31, 2024 I would say your own appraisal of this wing is correct.
Threewood Posted September 3, 2024 #1137 Posted September 3, 2024 English made aircrew wing. I just picked this up from ebay. I recognized this pattern in a few threads I searched and an example on Bob's website. No markings, emblem looks to be soldered to the base wing. I thought it looked good, but I know how prevalent Brit wings have been copied. Paid $80. Looks like it could be silver over brass as one of the wingtip shows the underlying brass. Opinions?
bschwartz Posted September 4, 2024 #1138 Posted September 4, 2024 Looks good to me. This is my favorite British pattern. I love the bold, solid shoulders on these wings. I have it in several of the specialties in my collection, my favorite being the flight surgeon. I do have an example of the air crew on my site but it's an older addition and, unfortunately, the photos are very small. https://www.ww2wings.com/wings/usaaf/aircrew/alcbitypeaafaircrew.shtml Here's the pilot version And a gunner version to compare against There are other examples on the site as well but I didn't want to link them all. I don't recall seeing a fake of these but nothing surprises me anymore so they may be out there.
Threewood Posted September 4, 2024 #1139 Posted September 4, 2024 Thank you Bob. There are 2 examples I saw on your website and this one looks identical. British wings are out of my wheelhouse, but the wing has the right look and being un-hallmarked made it look even better.
Manky bandage Posted September 10, 2024 #1140 Posted September 10, 2024 Got my eye these but something seems a bit off with them but I'm not sure, the 2nd one looks like another restrike. (probably my novice eyes...), thoughts? Appreciated as always
Threewood Posted September 10, 2024 #1141 Posted September 10, 2024 Top one looks good to me. The Meyer wing....I'm not so sure about.
The Rooster Posted September 10, 2024 #1142 Posted September 10, 2024 The Meyer wing looks good! Edges still upturned on the back from the die strike. Nothings been polished off. Correct findings, logo looks good. Good finish on the backside. Pebbled Frosty like. +
Manky bandage Posted September 10, 2024 #1143 Posted September 10, 2024 Well I managed to snag the first wings for a really reasonable price, ill have to wait a bit longer on the Meyer wings though. Glad I am not the only one that calls the fasteners/clasps the appropriate term ''findings''. A term that always makes me chuckle for some reason. Ill post some better images once they arrive, hopefully I did good.
pfrost Posted September 10, 2024 #1144 Posted September 10, 2024 Like Dave (Mr Rooster) said, both are good. I think you did well. Welcome to the forum
Manky bandage Posted September 11, 2024 #1145 Posted September 11, 2024 23 hours ago, pfrost said: Like Dave (Mr Rooster) said, both are good. I think you did well. Welcome to the forum Thank you Pfrost, time will tell and Ill see once they arrive. In the mean time, I have had a look around for some reference material. I can remember Jon A. Maguire's Silver Wings book from my first venture into collecting but the book was relatively unobtainable over here as well as being costly, luckily I have just secured a copy and will look out for the later additional book as well. Probably will be the best £30 spent, I'm sure Ill get stung at some point but at least I can limit it.
Manky bandage Posted September 12, 2024 #1146 Posted September 12, 2024 Well, they arrived in record time for once. They look nice, I think they have had a bit of a bash on the locking catch as that seems to be missing if it had one but it at least feels very secure still. Certainly some weight to them that is for sure.
Threewood Posted September 12, 2024 #1147 Posted September 12, 2024 Liason wing, marked sterling behind the shield. Is this a good one? No pictures of the cb pin base which has me thinking.
Threewood Posted September 13, 2024 #1149 Posted September 13, 2024 Thanks Patrick! I'll post better pictures once I receive it. Is this considered a Robbins pattern?
Based Captain Steve Posted September 15, 2024 #1150 Posted September 15, 2024 I'm trying to figure out the authenticity of these wings. I've tried looking online at forums for 318thw wings and the front part between the 318th and W7 is see through in their examples where here it appears to be mounted on a flat surface. I think they may have taken authentic pilot wings grinded off the front and attached the 318th Shield? Was this something that was done or is this someone trying to scam people? Would love to hear other people's opinions
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