rathbonemuseum.com Posted August 21 Share #1126 Posted August 21 I concur. These are well known copies of the Paye and Baker pattern. Cast copies with incorrect US typeface. Compare here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usa1918 Posted August 23 Share #1127 Posted August 23 Thx, I thought as much. I have no money invested in them. I inherited my WW1 and WW2 wings from a good friend when he passed. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threewood Posted August 29 Share #1128 Posted August 29 Dondero Pattern Command Pilot. Looks like it was cleaned (sellers other wings look the same). The color of the pin and dull finish has me worried these may have been cleaned with abrasives, like sand. The stress lines in back look legit. No markings at all. My Senior Pilot in this same pattern is marked sterling. Also looks like damage on the bottom of the shield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfrost Posted August 29 Share #1129 Posted August 29 Its a beauty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5thwingmarty Posted August 29 Share #1130 Posted August 29 I would say it is real, but not a beauty with the damage to the base of the shield. I don't know what they would have done to roll it like this. There does look to be an incised Sterling mark. All the Dondero Senior and Command Pilot wings were made by adding stars or wreaths and stars to regular Pilot wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threewood Posted August 29 Share #1131 Posted August 29 The damage is disappointing. I tried blowing up the picture but couldn't see any markings. It is the first command pilot of this pattern I have seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfrost Posted August 30 Share #1132 Posted August 30 If you want to kick it out of the next... keep me in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-17Guy Posted August 30 Share #1133 Posted August 30 The wing is good, but by no means rare. Have patience and wait for a better one. When the day comes that you decide to sell, how ever many years away, it is very difficult to sell a poor quality item, but high quality will always sell. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5thwingmarty Posted August 30 Share #1134 Posted August 30 I agree with John and unless this one is dirt cheap would wait for a better one. I think this is the incised Sterling mark on this wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FtrPlt Posted August 31 Share #1135 Posted August 31 Picked this one up at a yard sale recently. Looks like stamped brass. It was going into a dumpster so a $0 rescue. novelty/museum gift shop item? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5thwingmarty Posted August 31 Share #1136 Posted August 31 I would say your own appraisal of this wing is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threewood Posted September 3 Share #1137 Posted September 3 English made aircrew wing. I just picked this up from ebay. I recognized this pattern in a few threads I searched and an example on Bob's website. No markings, emblem looks to be soldered to the base wing. I thought it looked good, but I know how prevalent Brit wings have been copied. Paid $80. Looks like it could be silver over brass as one of the wingtip shows the underlying brass. Opinions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschwartz Posted September 4 Share #1138 Posted September 4 Looks good to me. This is my favorite British pattern. I love the bold, solid shoulders on these wings. I have it in several of the specialties in my collection, my favorite being the flight surgeon. I do have an example of the air crew on my site but it's an older addition and, unfortunately, the photos are very small. https://www.ww2wings.com/wings/usaaf/aircrew/alcbitypeaafaircrew.shtml Here's the pilot version And a gunner version to compare against There are other examples on the site as well but I didn't want to link them all. I don't recall seeing a fake of these but nothing surprises me anymore so they may be out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threewood Posted September 4 Share #1139 Posted September 4 Thank you Bob. There are 2 examples I saw on your website and this one looks identical. British wings are out of my wheelhouse, but the wing has the right look and being un-hallmarked made it look even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manky bandage Posted September 10 Share #1140 Posted September 10 Got my eye these but something seems a bit off with them but I'm not sure, the 2nd one looks like another restrike. (probably my novice eyes...), thoughts? Appreciated as always Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threewood Posted September 10 Share #1141 Posted September 10 Top one looks good to me. The Meyer wing....I'm not so sure about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rooster Posted September 10 Share #1142 Posted September 10 The Meyer wing looks good! Edges still upturned on the back from the die strike. Nothings been polished off. Correct findings, logo looks good. Good finish on the backside. Pebbled Frosty like. + Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manky bandage Posted September 10 Share #1143 Posted September 10 Well I managed to snag the first wings for a really reasonable price, ill have to wait a bit longer on the Meyer wings though. Glad I am not the only one that calls the fasteners/clasps the appropriate term ''findings''. A term that always makes me chuckle for some reason. Ill post some better images once they arrive, hopefully I did good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfrost Posted September 10 Share #1144 Posted September 10 Like Dave (Mr Rooster) said, both are good. I think you did well. Welcome to the forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manky bandage Posted September 11 Share #1145 Posted September 11 23 hours ago, pfrost said: Like Dave (Mr Rooster) said, both are good. I think you did well. Welcome to the forum Thank you Pfrost, time will tell and Ill see once they arrive. In the mean time, I have had a look around for some reference material. I can remember Jon A. Maguire's Silver Wings book from my first venture into collecting but the book was relatively unobtainable over here as well as being costly, luckily I have just secured a copy and will look out for the later additional book as well. Probably will be the best £30 spent, I'm sure Ill get stung at some point but at least I can limit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manky bandage Posted September 12 Share #1146 Posted September 12 Well, they arrived in record time for once. They look nice, I think they have had a bit of a bash on the locking catch as that seems to be missing if it had one but it at least feels very secure still. Certainly some weight to them that is for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threewood Posted September 12 Share #1147 Posted September 12 Liason wing, marked sterling behind the shield. Is this a good one? No pictures of the cb pin base which has me thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfrost Posted September 13 Share #1148 Posted September 13 Its fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Threewood Posted September 13 Share #1149 Posted September 13 Thanks Patrick! I'll post better pictures once I receive it. Is this considered a Robbins pattern? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Based Captain Steve Posted September 15 Share #1150 Posted September 15 I'm trying to figure out the authenticity of these wings. I've tried looking online at forums for 318thw wings and the front part between the 318th and W7 is see through in their examples where here it appears to be mounted on a flat surface. I think they may have taken authentic pilot wings grinded off the front and attached the 318th Shield? Was this something that was done or is this someone trying to scam people? Would love to hear other people's opinions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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