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[smwinter207]

3 minutes ago, Threewood said:

I saw this one and have to say it is a reproduction. A.E. Co does not have that hallmark nor do they make that style of wing. It wouldn't surprise me to find out it is a recent Meyer re-strike with the Meyer shield ground off. Or a cast copy looking at the softness of the back edges.

Yeah, the smooth back was odd. Thank you.
S

[pfrost]

Like Threewood said... This is a pretty good illustration of why knowing what pattern was made by which company.  I started noticing these fakes about 10-15 years ago.  What someone did was take an NS Meyer's restrike (or perhaps a casting), then added a fake/superfluous hallmark. In this case, AECo.  There is nothing about this wing that is good.

 

 

[rathbonemuseum.com]

@smwinter207 good on ya for coming here first and asking!

[Threewood]

On 6/30/2024 at 7:20 PM, pfrost said:

I have noticed some crazy prices recently. Prices fluctuate in waves as people move in and out of the collecting arena and as the economy shifts. Sometimes, a bad economy results in higher prices.

 

Higher prices tend to beget more items becoming available, ironically enough.  I suspect that if you were to look at the auction bids, you may see that a couple of guys decided that each one had to have this in their collection.

 

There was a Beverlycraft Aerial Gunner wing listed last week. I was expecting it to go around $170 but it ended up over $360. I'm still learning the market, but that seems high to me for a gunner wing. Someone really wanted it.

[pfrost]

These things come and go.  For many years, you could get "Bell" wings for 50$ or so, whilst the AECo wings would bring in 2-3 X that.  AMCRAFT were similar to the Bells as not being that highly sought after. Beverly Craft, Juarez and Moody Bros were sort of mid-range wings, falling a bit under the AECo wings..  But you could get as many BC and MB wings as you wanted for right around 120-175$ at the shows.

 

Now, its all BC, MB and Bell/Juarez wings.  When was the last time you saw a posting on the forum for AMIC, AECo, or even LGB? 

 

I think he are going through a phase right now where some collectors are jumping into the ring to buy these.

 

Its interesting to observe

[pfrost]

I blame Tod and Chris. Every time they write up a history of some company, the prices jump. Thanks Tod and Chris.....

 

LOL

[rathbonemuseum.com]

I thought you liked it! ;)

[pconrad02]

11 hours ago, rathbonemuseum.com said:

I thought you liked it! ;)

 

Oh we do - you just need to send them all out privately LOL 🤪

[rathbonemuseum.com]

13 hours ago, pfrost said:

 

I think he are going through a phase right now where some collectors are jumping into the ring to buy these.

 

what? 90 year puberty?

[pfrost]

I love the work you guys do. I find it counter-acts the pandering, posturing, and bloviating pontification that I tend to bring to the forum.  The careful well-researched information that you guys perform and post on this forum is worth its weight in gold.

 

P

[pconrad02]

"bloviating pontification" 😝😝😝

 

Patrick, I have never heard you Blovate !

[The Rooster]

I never heard Patrick Blovate either.

lol.... Patrick you are like Platinum and Gold and Rhodium here

in wing country.

 

So what do we all think of this one?

Real or fake?

Cheers!

 

 

 

 

[Allan H.]

3 hours ago, pfrost said:

I love the work you guys do. I find it counter-acts the pandering, posturing, and bloviating pontification that I tend to bring to the forum.  The careful well-researched information that you guys perform and post on this forum is worth its weight in gold.

 

P

P Money,

If what you do here is pandering, posturing, and bloviating pontification, I will have to admit that I'm probably equally guilty. I think that we should start a club-the "BP's," the Bloviating Pontificators." We will be an exclusive club and not allow anyone else in!

 

A Dog.

[pfrost]

40 minutes ago, Allan H. said:

P Money,

If what you do here is pandering, posturing, and bloviating pontification, I will have to admit that I'm probably equally guilty. I think that we should start a club-the "BP's," the Bloviating Pontificators." We will be an exclusive club and not allow anyone else in!

 

A Dog.

 

They must give a 45-minute, free-form 5,000 word exposition on the important historical aspect of a clutchback non-sterling aircrewman's wing dating from 1978. Or the likely source of a subdued jump wing found in a thrift store with a 22M hallmark that someone paid 1.56$ for.  With links to ebay auctions, previous discussion on the forum, and 68 footnotes and citations.  Then they get a little "yapping mouth" ribbon that gets posted in the "member donations" window.

 

[pfrost]

1 hour ago, The Rooster said:

I never heard Patrick Blovate either.

lol.... Patrick you are like Platinum and Gold and Rhodium here

in wing country.

 

So what do we all think of this one?

Real or fake?

Cheers!

 

 

 

 

I think it is fine.  I think this is called ripose or cliche strike.  I see no reason to dislike it.

[cwnorma]

4 hours ago, pfrost said:

...pandering, posturing, and bloviating pontification...

 

I come here for the wing discussions, but its the bloviation that makes me stay!

[The Rooster]

1 hour ago, pfrost said:

I think it is fine.  I think this is called ripose or cliche strike.  I see no reason to dislike it.

I looked on Bobs great site and I can find no match. Unless I missed it.

I'l have to recheck. Would you say these are on the rare side?

And WW2? Ive never seen one before today. I paid $21 and some change shipped.

I had a gut feeling it looked good to me.

 

Thanks Patrick!

Dave

[pfrost]

Not especially rare.  I suspect that they were probably made later in WWII and into the KW time period. It's sort of a classic graduation/issue-type wing.

 

This is a similar piece, but it was converted from a Service pilot wing to an AC wing.  I suspect that because the service pilot wing was phased out after about 1948, that kind of gives you a good idea of the general time frame.

 

[5thwingmarty]

Bob has a distinct lack of examples of the wings in this issue pattern.  These wings can be found with a wide variety of reverses, and there are other ratings in this pattern that have this same "ripose or cliche" reverse.  The pattern of these wings dates to WWII, but these could date to after the war.  I think there was a company that these wings with this type of reverse have been attributed to, but I don't recall who that was.  Here is a Bombardier wing I have in this pattern.

 

[bschwartz]

1 hour ago, 5thwingmarty said:

Bob has a distinct lack of examples of the wings in this issue pattern.  

 

 

Sounds like a great opportunity for people to submit examples for the site! Send 'em in folks.

 

Also, there are a ton of patterns that I'm sure aren't displayed on the site....yet. Don't ever take the fact that you can't find an example on the site as a mark that something is immediately bad. Using this forum in conjunction with my site gives you a very well rounded education on the market.

 

One last note, Patrick may bloviate but my initials are literally BS so my parents were clearly on to me at a very early age.

[The Rooster]

1 hour ago, bschwartz said:

 

Sounds like a great opportunity for people to submit examples for the site! Send 'em in folks.

 

Also, there are a ton of patterns that I'm sure aren't displayed on the site....yet. Don't ever take the fact that you can't find an example on the site as a mark that something is immediately bad. Using this forum in conjunction with my site gives you a very well rounded education on the market.

 

One last note, Patrick may bloviate but my initials are literally BS so my parents were clearly on to me at a very early age.

You guys are cracking me up!

I can come here for a good laugh! 😁

Thank you all for the info on these!

And Bob thank you for your site, and your help and humor, and I'l see what I can bloviate over in my wing case and send some for your

consideration.

Ive never even seen one before!

 

On another note,

Ive seen this on eBay right now.

Looks like a classic stinker to me..

 

$152.50 7 bids 6 days to go.

What do you all think?

 

 

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/116263344025?itmmeta=01J3S54X0PHR0SAC45QCQGAKXS&hash=item1b11d5d799:g:FT8AAOSwSe9moAPe

[Allan H.]

13 hours ago, cwnorma said:

 

I come here for the wing discussions, but its the bloviation that makes me stay!

CW Music

 

There is no better forum for bloviated pontification than this one!

 

A Dog

[Allan H.]

8 hours ago, The Rooster said:

Ive seen this on eBay right now.

Looks like a classic stinker to me..

 

$152.50 7 bids 6 days to go.

What do you all think?

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/116263344025?itmmeta=01J3S54X0PHR0SAC45QCQGAKXS&hash=item1b11d5d799:g:FT8AAOSwSe9moAPe

I think that your spidey senses are working well for you. 

 

Allan

[cwnorma]

9 hours ago, The Rooster said:

...$152.50 7 bids 6 days to go.

What do you all think?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/116263344025?itmmeta=01J3S54X0PHR0SAC45QCQGAKXS&hash=item1b11d5d799:g:FT8AAOSwSe9moAPe

I share @Allan H.'s reservations.  I see suspicious pitting (especially in the area below the catch) that would drive more than a desultory examination of this wing.  Worse still, the engraving, while somewhat amateurishly executed, does appear to be hand done.  You can count on most fakers being lazy, but someone appears to be learning hand engraving techniques to support their dark industry.  Thus, it won't surprise me if we begin to see more engraved like this.  Hopefully, the faker realized: "Gee!  That's a lot of work for such a small pay out..." Caveat emptor.

 

Chris

 

Chris

[Threewood]

3 minutes ago, cwnorma said:

I share @Allan H.'s reservations.  I see suspicious pitting (especially in the area below the catch) that would drive more than a desultory examination of this wing.  Worse still, the engraving, while somewhat amateurishly executed, does appear to be hand done.  You can count on most fakers being lazy, but someone appears to be learning hand engraving techniques to support their dark industry.  Thus, it won't surprise me if we begin to see more engraved like this.  Hopefully, the faker realized: "Gee!  That's a lot of work for such a small pay out..." Caveat emptor.

 

Chris

 

Chris

Picture on ebay shows it measures 3 1/4" long. I thought casts were always a bit shorter after cooling? Both of my Lampl pilot and glider wings have a concave back. The one shown is a slickback. Also, the roller catch finding is not one I have seen on a Lampl wing.