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Alrighty fellas this one is listed as CBI made....let me know your honest thoughts!!

 

 

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....looks to be a sweetheart piece maybe? I still think they are neat...

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Actively collecting:

13th USAAF uniforms and groups/medal groups!

307th BG, 5th BG, 11th BG, 42nd BG

Also looking for:

WWII Far East Air Force uniforms/groups!

Any Pacific Army Air Force Groups to 5th, 7th, 10th, 14th, 20th AAF

Collecting CBI and ATC Pacific Army Air Force groups

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very good question..

but because of the radical departure of the wing design I would think they would have to be sweetheart.

Still a cool set in my eyes.

 

-Brian


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Anyone else on these?!?!


Actively collecting:

13th USAAF uniforms and groups/medal groups!

307th BG, 5th BG, 11th BG, 42nd BG

Also looking for:

WWII Far East Air Force uniforms/groups!

Any Pacific Army Air Force Groups to 5th, 7th, 10th, 14th, 20th AAF

Collecting CBI and ATC Pacific Army Air Force groups

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I would almost make a new thread on them.. as they are not by any means "run of the mill" wings.

 

-Brian


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I would suggest that they are Mexican made (or maybe SW USA). They have that feel to me of Mexican silversmithing.

 

Patrick

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I can see your point.. and perhaps that is the case.

However it also has that look of "cheap" (for lack of a better word) jewelry/brass items from India or Pakistan.

 

-Brian


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I would suggest that they are Mexican made (or maybe SW USA). They have that feel to me of Mexican silversmithing.

 

Patrick

CliffP thought the same,

 

 

"Definitely a sweetheart pin or ladies brooch; however, because of the fittings used on the back I don't believe it was made in the CBI.

 

While I would not rule out the possibility that it may have been made in Mexico, I lean more to the probability that it was made by a Native American in the Southwest USA for resell to the tourist trade."


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LOOKING TO BUY SINGLES, ON UNIFORMS, OR COLLECTIONS

ALONG WITH AIRBORNE TROOP CARRIER

TENNESSEE MILITARY COLLECTORS ASSOCIATION

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These wings don't strike me as military so the easy choice as mentioned already. As to what country they were made that I can't say but not from the Southwest in my opinion... The thing that jumps out is the fittings and how they are attached...

 

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Are these Gemsco Pilot wings WW2 era?

Definitely are die-struck.

 

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Yep, I think WWII and thereabouts vintage. Likely used into the post war/KW period as well.

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Ok thank you.. that's what I figured.

They certainly are a different looking wing, and it appears from the wear on the pins that it always had these clutches... but the pins are short enough a flat faced clutch sits flush.

 

I guess not all good deals on ebay are bad. :D


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I recently had a chance to get this wing,but did'nt because I just was'nt sure about its' authenticity.I'm posting the photos of it here to ask the experts;was I right to pass on these or should I have bought them?In other words,is this wing authentic?

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High Flight

Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth

And danced the skies on laughter-silver wings;

Sunward I've climbed and joined the tumbling mirth

Of sun-split clouds - and done a hundred things

You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung

High in the sunlit silence. Hovering there

I've chased the shouting wind along and flung

My eager craft through footless halls of air.

Up, up the long delirious, burning blue

I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace,

where never lark, or even eagle flew;

and while, with silent, lifting mind I've trod

The high untrespassed sanctity of space,

Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.

 

John Gillespie Magee, Jr.

June 9, 1922 – December 11, 1941

 

 

 

" And each man stands with his face in the light of his own drawn sword. Ready to do what a hero can." - Elizabeth Barrett Browning

 

 

Don't let the B@stards wear you down -"Vinegar" Joe Stillwell

 

 

Reasonable people adapt themselves to the world.Unreasonable

people attempt to adapt the world to themselves.All progress,

therefore, depends on unreasonable people.

George Bernard Shaw

 

 

" Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining" , Fletcher,from the movie "The outlaw Josey Wales"

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That balloon observer looks cast to me. Look at the back of the badge, the details are very soft which is usually a tip off for it being a cast wing. I wouldn't buy it. I think you made the right call.

 

Thanks for the info.That's exactly what I was thinking.The overall "soft" appearance and the weak strike on the "Sterling" made me hesitate.Another thing is the line on the balloon within the "O" just does'nt look right to me.The seller stated that the "beat up" appearance was from wear,but the pin looks straight as an arrow.But he did have some other authentic items so I was not 100% sure about this wing.

It appears that I have learned a few things from this helpful forum! :lol:


High Flight

Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth

And danced the skies on laughter-silver wings;

Sunward I've climbed and joined the tumbling mirth

Of sun-split clouds - and done a hundred things

You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung

High in the sunlit silence. Hovering there

I've chased the shouting wind along and flung

My eager craft through footless halls of air.

Up, up the long delirious, burning blue

I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace,

where never lark, or even eagle flew;

and while, with silent, lifting mind I've trod

The high untrespassed sanctity of space,

Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.

 

John Gillespie Magee, Jr.

June 9, 1922 – December 11, 1941

 

 

 

" And each man stands with his face in the light of his own drawn sword. Ready to do what a hero can." - Elizabeth Barrett Browning

 

 

Don't let the B@stards wear you down -"Vinegar" Joe Stillwell

 

 

Reasonable people adapt themselves to the world.Unreasonable

people attempt to adapt the world to themselves.All progress,

therefore, depends on unreasonable people.

George Bernard Shaw

 

 

" Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining" , Fletcher,from the movie "The outlaw Josey Wales"

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Patchcollector, you made a wise decision in passing on this badge. Your concerns and Bob's evaluation are both spot on...


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Hi all,

I was browsing on eBay when I came across these wings,all being offered by the same seller.They look like some pretty scarce designs and I'm tempted to put some bids on them but I wanted to let the experts here eyeball them first to verify if they are authentic to the period.Thanks.

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High Flight

Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth

And danced the skies on laughter-silver wings;

Sunward I've climbed and joined the tumbling mirth

Of sun-split clouds - and done a hundred things

You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung

High in the sunlit silence. Hovering there

I've chased the shouting wind along and flung

My eager craft through footless halls of air.

Up, up the long delirious, burning blue

I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace,

where never lark, or even eagle flew;

and while, with silent, lifting mind I've trod

The high untrespassed sanctity of space,

Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.

 

John Gillespie Magee, Jr.

June 9, 1922 – December 11, 1941

 

 

 

" And each man stands with his face in the light of his own drawn sword. Ready to do what a hero can." - Elizabeth Barrett Browning

 

 

Don't let the B@stards wear you down -"Vinegar" Joe Stillwell

 

 

Reasonable people adapt themselves to the world.Unreasonable

people attempt to adapt the world to themselves.All progress,

therefore, depends on unreasonable people.

George Bernard Shaw

 

 

" Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining" , Fletcher,from the movie "The outlaw Josey Wales"

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Don't like any of them.The bombadier appears cast.The observer and balloon do not match any known examples that I am aware of.Their are so many fakes out there that the high end stuff has to have a rock solid provenance or I don't look twice. I own enough garbage. My advice stay away. Fraternally Mike


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Hi all,

I was browsing on eBay when I came across these wings,all being offered by the same seller.They look like some pretty scarce designs and I'm tempted to put some bids on them but I wanted to let the experts here eyeball them first to verify if they are authentic to the period.Thanks.

 

Are there really any experts? Sometimes it's best for us to just rely on our basic instincts and walk away from a trade.

 

I believe you were right to avoid all of them.

 

 

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Mike I sensed the same thing that you observed in your comment, but I'm so lacking in knowledge about the early pieces that I wanted to get some input from the more experienced members here.

At this point in my wing collecting experience,if I bought based on my "instinks",I would no doubt have a lot of "Garbage" as Mike so rightfully put it :lol:

 

Thanks guys for your insight and help.


High Flight

Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth

And danced the skies on laughter-silver wings;

Sunward I've climbed and joined the tumbling mirth

Of sun-split clouds - and done a hundred things

You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung

High in the sunlit silence. Hovering there

I've chased the shouting wind along and flung

My eager craft through footless halls of air.

Up, up the long delirious, burning blue

I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace,

where never lark, or even eagle flew;

and while, with silent, lifting mind I've trod

The high untrespassed sanctity of space,

Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.

 

John Gillespie Magee, Jr.

June 9, 1922 – December 11, 1941

 

 

 

" And each man stands with his face in the light of his own drawn sword. Ready to do what a hero can." - Elizabeth Barrett Browning

 

 

Don't let the B@stards wear you down -"Vinegar" Joe Stillwell

 

 

Reasonable people adapt themselves to the world.Unreasonable

people attempt to adapt the world to themselves.All progress,

therefore, depends on unreasonable people.

George Bernard Shaw

 

 

" Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining" , Fletcher,from the movie "The outlaw Josey Wales"

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Happy Sunday all,

Here is a wing I found and wanted to post it here for comments.

 

Thanks!

 

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High Flight

Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth

And danced the skies on laughter-silver wings;

Sunward I've climbed and joined the tumbling mirth

Of sun-split clouds - and done a hundred things

You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung

High in the sunlit silence. Hovering there

I've chased the shouting wind along and flung

My eager craft through footless halls of air.

Up, up the long delirious, burning blue

I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace,

where never lark, or even eagle flew;

and while, with silent, lifting mind I've trod

The high untrespassed sanctity of space,

Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.

 

John Gillespie Magee, Jr.

June 9, 1922 – December 11, 1941

 

 

 

" And each man stands with his face in the light of his own drawn sword. Ready to do what a hero can." - Elizabeth Barrett Browning

 

 

Don't let the B@stards wear you down -"Vinegar" Joe Stillwell

 

 

Reasonable people adapt themselves to the world.Unreasonable

people attempt to adapt the world to themselves.All progress,

therefore, depends on unreasonable people.

George Bernard Shaw

 

 

" Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining" , Fletcher,from the movie "The outlaw Josey Wales"

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Patchcollector,

 

That is a copy of what had been a fake Airship Pilot badge. Yep, you read correctly, even the original fakes are now being copied and most come from a bad egg in Indiana.

 

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A copy of a copy.Man what will they think of next? :lol: Thanks Cliff,I thought it looked kind of "funny",especially the back..


High Flight

Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth

And danced the skies on laughter-silver wings;

Sunward I've climbed and joined the tumbling mirth

Of sun-split clouds - and done a hundred things

You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung

High in the sunlit silence. Hovering there

I've chased the shouting wind along and flung

My eager craft through footless halls of air.

Up, up the long delirious, burning blue

I've topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace,

where never lark, or even eagle flew;

and while, with silent, lifting mind I've trod

The high untrespassed sanctity of space,

Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.

 

John Gillespie Magee, Jr.

June 9, 1922 – December 11, 1941

 

 

 

" And each man stands with his face in the light of his own drawn sword. Ready to do what a hero can." - Elizabeth Barrett Browning

 

 

Don't let the B@stards wear you down -"Vinegar" Joe Stillwell

 

 

Reasonable people adapt themselves to the world.Unreasonable

people attempt to adapt the world to themselves.All progress,

therefore, depends on unreasonable people.

George Bernard Shaw

 

 

" Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining" , Fletcher,from the movie "The outlaw Josey Wales"

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Heads-Up! :dry:

 

USAAF fixed-wing Pilot, Service Pilot, Glider Pilot and Liaison Pilot wing badges that look like the ones seen below should be given additional consideration before purchasing.

 

These badges started showing up in the market place within the last 12 months. Some carry no hallmark while others may be stamped GAUNT - LONDON. The badges may be in pin-back or have English style attachment loops like the two seen in the bottom photo.

 

The theory making the rounds among dealers is that most are New-Old-Stock made during WWII but only recently found in England; however, unless confirmed by an acknowledged unquestionable source, it should be an issue open for debate.

 

If anyone feels there is no merit to this concern, please do blast away.

 

Cliff

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