dmar836 Posted May 8, 2021 Share #851 Posted May 8, 2021 I think the consensus is it's a good wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmar836 Posted May 8, 2021 Share #852 Posted May 8, 2021 I understand. A mod has requested we drop it here. I was trying to politely move the thread back to the topic. I think we all understand your issue and don't all necessarily disagree. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rathbonemuseum.com Posted May 8, 2021 Share #853 Posted May 8, 2021 I ask again, please drop this line of complaint on this thread as it is no longer relevant or informative to the thread. This is a second warning. Feel free to go take your issue here and get it out of this content section. https://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/forum/1574-buyers-sellers-report-section/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfrost Posted May 8, 2021 Share #854 Posted May 8, 2021 I don’t disagree with you sorry my friend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmar836 Posted May 8, 2021 Share #855 Posted May 8, 2021 No one reason but due to the long thread could we maybe lock this thread and start a, "Is this wing good? Post you advice requests here! - part 2!" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pryo Posted May 9, 2021 Share #856 Posted May 9, 2021 Picked these up about a month ago, I don’t think they are original I think they are one of the reunion wings, but what do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmar836 Posted May 9, 2021 Share #857 Posted May 9, 2021 That pattern up in the shoulder area appears quite a bit different than the others shown by Josten as is the location of the hallmark. Aren't the pins of post war construction? Just some questions from an observer. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmar836 Posted May 9, 2021 Share #858 Posted May 9, 2021 Neat. Looks like the same die though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmar836 Posted May 11, 2021 Share #859 Posted May 11, 2021 https://www.ebay.com/itm/194106749187?hash=item2d31a9f103:g:vH8AAOSwbH1glEp7 I had yet to see this LGB Ster mark and location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5thwingmarty Posted May 11, 2021 Share #860 Posted May 11, 2021 To quote Patrick's response to an earlier post in this thread: "Buyer beware. There are some other threads about the STER LGB and the wide pin placement on these wings that were probably made for collectors in the 90-2000s." These have been discussed many times on the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfrost Posted May 11, 2021 Share #861 Posted May 11, 2021 Beat me with my own old post! LOL. Yes, walk carefully around these. BTW, I am not a good enough person with the intenet, but this is what that LGB glider pilot wing SHOULD look like (not endorsing any particular auction). Hopefully someone can capture the images, because once the auction is gone, the pictures are lost. https://www.ebay.com/itm/284194684027?hash=item422b52bc7b:g:~5AAAOSwsxxgJubi Note the STERLING and LGB mark (including size, font and placement) and the positions of the pin. Years ago, I was told that a number of collectors/dealers started approaching various companies (including LGB, Blankinton and NS Meyer) to see if they could get new wing badges generated for collectors. If you have the second edition of Charles Fitzsimmon's book, he apparently showed a number of LGB and Blackinton-made restrikes as originals. He then apparently sold them via old ASMIC Trading post offerings... I know, I bought a couple of those off of him before I wised up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmar836 Posted May 11, 2021 Share #862 Posted May 11, 2021 Yeah, I'm suspicious of any lettered wing and remember a few pages back now. Add G to the TO and balloon wings marked LGB STER. Of course they bid up an obvious restrike glider wing last week to $150 or so when the seller listed had also two other restrikes all closing about the same time. Just seeing multiple wings from the same seller with the identical make and patina should be the first curiosity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5thwingmarty Posted May 11, 2021 Share #863 Posted May 11, 2021 I like that the real one Patrick shared a link to is less expensive than the restrike, and the restrike is within a dollar of the other genuine one on ebay right now. Maybe someone with a genuine one can send photos to Bob to add to his website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschwartz Posted May 12, 2021 Share #864 Posted May 12, 2021 4 hours ago, 5thwingmarty said: I like that the real one Patrick shared a link to is less expensive than the restrike, and the restrike is within a dollar of the other genuine one on ebay right now. Maybe someone with a genuine one can send photos to Bob to add to his website. I've got a Balfour marked version out there (Balfour marked Glider Pilot) but I'd be happy if someone would like to send me photos of an LGB marked example as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5thwingmarty Posted May 12, 2021 Share #865 Posted May 12, 2021 I looked right past that one on Bob's site. In comparing, the Balfour marked wing has fine lines that run all the way across the shield, while the LGB marked wings have wider spaced lines that do not extend across the shield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donaldnol Posted May 12, 2021 Share #866 Posted May 12, 2021 i have this one it's a 2''inch WW2 fight surgeon wings looks similar to a blackington wing it's sterling but most of the letters are finned out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmar836 Posted May 18, 2021 Share #867 Posted May 18, 2021 So, just so I am learning properly, the pin holes in this wing are from casting, no? Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donaldnol Posted May 18, 2021 Share #868 Posted May 18, 2021 12 hours ago, dmar836 said: So, just so I am learning properly, the pin holes in this wing are from casting, no? Dave that could be peck marks, what i look closely at is the outer edge for die shearing if its smooth along the edge then there's a problem, and look for informalities on the reverse side and if it's a cast it will be most likely under measurement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmar836 Posted May 18, 2021 Share #869 Posted May 18, 2021 Thanks. I struggle as I tend to be a pessimist but it looks kind of blunt in the details anyway. It has that kind of double strike in the top of the S but the overall thing looks strange as does the back with that dark grey paint look. Pass. You look at something on eBay and next thing you know the seller is trying to hook you. It's a weird thing for sure. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfrost Posted May 18, 2021 Share #870 Posted May 18, 2021 I am not sure I would include these in the "fake" box, as much as they belong in the "not vintage to WWII" sack. These look like the type of souvenir wings produced for sale as collectible items at swap meets, airshows, hobby and model airplane shops, museum gift stores, rodeos, and Army-Navy surplus stores (to name a few). Made out of a thin pot metal, they are typically stamped with cheap clutch back pins and usually painted with a blackish lacquer finish. For example, you can pick these up at the National Air and Space Museum gift shop. You can buy them for wear on a hat or jacket. I see them on ebay all the time and frequently at the flea markets. My thought is that they were never intended to be sold as vintage wings, but can sometimes eventually migrate into the view of novice collectors. Like I said, they aren't really intended to fool anyone like a cast reproduction, but like "HeWhoShallNotBeNamed" museum quality reproductions, they can sometimes show up being hawked by the less scrupulous dealers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmar836 Posted May 18, 2021 Share #871 Posted May 18, 2021 Thanks. Since I haven't been observing the restamp, repro, and downright fake movements of wings, I have to learn one at a time. Appreciate you all tolerating my "simple" questions. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmar836 Posted May 19, 2021 Share #872 Posted May 19, 2021 With a grouping. What's the consensus with the pattern, pin opening, etc.? I assume the stamp on the right is just "sterling" from the low res pic unless someone else recognizes the pattern. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donaldnol Posted May 19, 2021 Share #873 Posted May 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, dmar836 said: With a grouping. What's the consensus with the pattern, pin opening, etc.? I assume the stamp on the right is just "sterling" from the low res pic unless someone else recognizes the pattern. Dave i have seen this pattern style and it's legit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmar836 Posted May 19, 2021 Share #874 Posted May 19, 2021 Thanks Don. I leave them on uniforms rather than putting them in the wing box so I guess one without hallmark would be best for that. Other's opinions? Is there any value to the wing? Thanks in advance, Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfrost Posted May 19, 2021 Share #875 Posted May 19, 2021 It’s N S Meyers pattern. And based on the pin it’s likely a restrike. But no real way to know for sure without better pictures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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