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Came across this great photo from June 1948 of an early post war marking for the 504th Airborne Infantry, and maybe painted on, insignia on the steel helmet in these cases, but same marking may have been applied to the liners as well, , it is a sold shield with Flaming Sword, scalloped bottoms with inverted point, with border, but no scroll with motto. Troops are up from Bragg at Dix giving summer drill training to either a New Jersey or New York City ROTC unit. The 1950s decal version seen HERE for comparison

 

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KOREAN WAR ERA UNIT PAINTED HELMET LINER. 663 Field Artillery Battalion.

 

Ryukyus Command, the unit is the 663rd Field Artillery Battalion, a separate FA BN on Okinawa, assigned sometime in 1955 or so from Ft Bragg North Carolina, inactivated on The Rock 25 June 1958 due to the CARS Reorganization. The liner's actual wear will then date after 1955 when the unit is in Okinawa, the unit crest for the 663rd FA BN adopted in October 1953 when unit was still at Ft Bragg.

[Thanks to Forum member; Patches for identifying and providing unit history]

 

 

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Here's a really nice KW era 5th ID NCO liner. I already had one liner just like this one so when I saw it come up I had to have it

 

 

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Here are the two together. The liner I just picked up is a 51 dated capac/westinghouse liner, the other one is a repainted WWII firestone. I find it interesting that one has the decals on the side while the other has it up front, but they both have the same style NCO bar.

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3 hours ago, Nickman983 said:

Here are the two together. The liner I just picked up is a 51 dated capac/westinghouse liner, the other one is a repainted WWII firestone. I find it interesting that one has the decals on the side while the other has it up front, but they both have the same style NCO bar.

 

 

Very interesting Nick, good stuff, here's two images I recently posted of the insignia on the 5th Inf Div liners from the period from one of their Basic Graduation Yearbooks, (the 5th Inf Dov being only a Training Division back then), note only the one photo we see the White Border, looks like a device of something in center of diamond, maybe regimental number, can't tell, the other are either a stencil or a decal without the White border, hard to tell and with other photos from this particular yearbook the Non White Border is seen on the liners.

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29 minutes ago, patches said:

Very interesting Nick, good stuff, here's two images I recently posted of the insignia on the 5th Inf Div liners from the period from one of their Basic Graduation Yearbooks, (the 5th Inf Dov being only a Training Division back then), note only the one photo we see the White Border, looks like a device of something in center of diamond, maybe regimental number, can't tell, the other are either a stencil or a decal without the White border, hard to tell and with other photos from this particular yearbook the Non White Border is seen on the liners.

Thanks for sharing! What year is your book from? I've got a 5th ID yearbook from 1956 along with a few photos/slides from 1955/1956. I've looked through the book and the photos I had on hand and I didn't see a clear example of a helmet or liner with the 5th ID insignia. Most of the marked helmets/liners I saw were ranks, names, or companies. Interestingly enough I did spy a medic helmet being worn while going through grenade training.

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4 hours ago, Nickman983 said:

Thanks for sharing! What year is your book from? I've got a 5th ID yearbook from 1956 along with a few photos/slides from 1955/1956. I've looked through the book and the photos I had on hand and I didn't see a clear example of a helmet or liner with the 5th ID insignia. Most of the marked helmets/liners I saw were ranks, names, or companies. Interestingly enough I did spy a medic helmet being worn while going through grenade training.

It is a July 1953 Yearbook for the 1st Battalion 11th Infantry, these guys started Basic and I assume Infantry AIT in this same unit in March.

 

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39468114_2114276175312096_3651130034514558976_o.jpg.c5a4f2c0cb7aa32d1c35e00b41507150.jpghaven't seen these markings in here, so i'd figure i'd share. if anyone has any info on them, it would be much appreciated. having a hard time tracking them down

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1 hour ago, Cap Camouflage Pattern I said:

Spain?

1416337687_s-l1600(1).jpg.76c092d2158c06cff49efa6152404a6a.jpgis-l1600.jpg.0900a3c8ab7c3b072de49e634f518454.jpgI dont believe so, as this one has a follow me bar, and a more american sounding name

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That there is American, a Cadre Liner or maybe a Student worn one for a unit of the Leadership Preparation Course at some unknown post, since the colors are Red and Yellow either Field Artillery/Anti Aircraft or Ordnance, the 9 on the discs maybe is the Class.

 

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6 hours ago, patches said:

That there is American, a Cadre Liner or maybe a Student worn one for a unit of the Leadership Preparation Course at some unknown post, since the colors are Red and Yellow either Field Artillery/Anti Aircraft or Ordnance, the 9 on the discs maybe is the Class.

 

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That patch by the way as seen painted on the front of the liner was always worn sewn to a Brassard, far as we can tell was not a shoulder patch in the strictest sense.

 

PS, Might throw the Transportation Corps into the mix as their Branch Colors are Brick Red and Yellow.

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15 hours ago, patches said:

That patch by the way as seen painted on the front of the liner was always worn sewn to a Brassard, far as we can tell was not a shoulder patch in the strictest sense.

 

PS, Might throw the Transportation Corps into the mix as their Branch Colors are Brick Red and Yellow.

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NCO ACADEMY Insignia, Note the Gold/Blue on the Left/Right......the inverse of the Blue/Gold examples you posted but a match for the helmet liner painted insignia.

 

 

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More photos of the NCO Academy insignia which I posted here  Non Commissioned Officers Academy Hawaii pocket crests

 

 

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NCO ACADEMY Insignia, Note the Gold/Blue on the Left/Right......the inverse of the Blue/Gold examples you posted but a match for the helmet liner painted insignia.

 

 

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More photos of the NCO Academy insignia which I posted here  Non Commissioned Officers Academy Hawaii pocket crests

 

 

Do you have a date when these were worn, looks very current.

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10 hours ago, Salvage Sailor said:

I received these from the Sergeant Major at NCOAH East Range (Schofield Barracks) in the 1990's where they wore them as pocket badges.

 

Sergeant William R. Jecelin NCO Academy Hawaii

 

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On 6/8/2020 at 8:47 PM, patches said:

That there is American, a Cadre Liner or maybe a Student worn one for a unit of the Leadership Preparation Course at some unknown post, since the colors are Red and Yellow either Field Artillery/Anti Aircraft or Ordnance, the 9 on the discs maybe is the Class.

 

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thanks for the info brother, it really helped point me in the right direction

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7 hours ago, shadawg said:

thanks for the info brother, it really helped point me in the right direction

It looks of vintage, so a 50s or 60s worn item.

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