Marked Helmet Liners, The Unsung Hero Of The M-1

[The Rooster]

1951 capac

[patches]

Here is a new one. No Idea about the unit. I like how the tech 5 decal over lays sgt stripes.

Looks on the back like it had an officers follow me stripe at one time ?

 

 

Antiaircraft Artillery and Guided Missile School, soon to called a Center rather than a School located at Fort Bliss Texas, a Cadre Liner for the School. Quite unusual to see a Specialist 4th Class, these soldiers if enlisted were normally Noncoms, he might of been the assistant of an Officer or a Sergeant running a range.

[The Rooster]

Thank you Patches ! Is this a mid 50's used liner?

[patches]

Thank you Patches ! Is this a mid 50's used liner?

very late 50s into the1960s more like it.

[The Rooster]

Thank you Patches !!!!

 

Rooster

[Cap Camouflage Pattern I]

Looks to me like the early 50s version of the specialist rank, it had a different shape. Not sure the date

[patches]

Looks to me like the early 50s version of the specialist rank, it had a different shape. Not sure the date

Yes that is the 1955 reg type, these were worn on the sleeves past the time they were superseded by the new large size in the 1958 grade restrurter, so chances are they were seen as well as rank decals in the same period.

 

Here's but one example of the 1955 size Spec ranks being worn well into the 1960s. A GI of the 2nd Brigade 25th Infantry Division on his way to South Vietnam in January 1966, a Specialist 5th Class, just why he's retained these obsolete ranks is anybody's guess.

[Nickman983]

Figured I'd show off two of my nicer marked liners. Both are WWII liners with use into the 50s.

 

First up is an early Inland liner. It has a follow me stripe done in medical tape on the back and is marked to the 719th Anti-Aircraft Artillery Gun Battalion on the webbing.

[Nickman983]

Next is a Firestone liner with 5th ID decals on the sides and a NCO bar painted on the back. The sweatband is post war OD#7 and came out of PA so I believe this was most likely used when the 5th was training in Pennsylvania.

 

Interesting to note is that you can make out the outline of a previous 5th ID decal under the current ones. As far as I can tell it looks like the border less WWII era decals were painted over and the post war decals were applied.

[Nickman983]

NCO bar on the back of the firestone and both liners together

[patches]

A example of a early 70s liner of the West German based 2nd Battalion 4th Infantry 56th Artillery Brigade, the 2nd of the 4th was assigned to the brigade in September 1970. Note at this time the brigade decal doesn't have a PERSHING Tab for whatever reason.

[patches]

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A example of a early 70s liner of the West German based 2nd Battalion 4th Infantry 56th Artillery Brigade, the 2nd of the 4th was assigned to the brigade in September 1970. Note at this time the brigade decal doesn't have a PERSHING Tab for whatever reason.

Just a bit of Info on the tab. This fro the Wiki Visually site on the unit's patch.

The shoulder sleeve insignia was originally approved for the 56th Artillery Brigade on 9 June 1971 The Pershing tab was authorized for wear effective 18 September 1970, it was redesignated for the 56th Field Artillery Brigade on 7 April 1972.

 

The TAB was out before the shoulder patch as we see.

 

From 1963 to 1970, the authorized shoulder sleeve insignia was the emblem of the Seventh United States Army. From 1970 to 1971, the Pershing tab was worn with the Seventh Army insignia.

 

So

 

 

[patches]

An example of a Marked Navy liner aboard a ship in the 60s, White with unknown colored double stripes fore and aft, a Department, Section unknown. Ship is the DE USS Wilhoite, and what a career it had.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Wilhoite_(DE-397)

 

[Burning Hazard]

WWII V corps liner

[Powerhouse]

Hello,

Here is a 3rd Army liner with an unknown insignia.

 

[currahee1942]

Hello,

 

My 60th IR late ww2/occupation liner

 

Matthias

[patches]

Nice marked liners seen on Captain Audie L. Murphy with an unidentified fellow officer, either a Major or a Lieutenant Colonel, and the 4th Army Commander in Texas, believe in summer of 1951, 4th Army CG at this time, LTG LeRoy Lutes.

 

[FallenLynn]

Hello, I am new here. I recently came into possession of a Helmet and the Liner had some markings that I couldn't really place.

Its currently at my father's house but he is going to ship it up to me soon so I can take better pics of it later if needed. It also has a Shell but its almost completely bare of paint.

I'm just very curious of what the marking could be. My only guess is that it could be a helmet from the 551st PIB but all of the pictures of helmets I've seen have the symbol painted in white on the side and not in black nor the exact style either.

Any help would be appreciated.

 

[Ray42]

That marking is in a weird place for a unit marking, and doesn't really look like any 551st mark I've seen. It could be just a liner that a bored soldier in the Pacific drew on to personalize it.

[FallenLynn]

Thank you for the response

 

That was one of my other thoughts as well but this isn't my area of expertise and just wanted an outside opinion. Ive got another liner but its missing the suspension and has no markings. Im currently in the process of dating that one.

[patches]

First thing I seen is that Mariana's Bonin Command patch, nah

 

 

 

[FallenLynn]

I also thought of that but from what I can tell, this helmet is from 1942-43 and the Marianas-Bonin Command was established in 1947 so It makes me skeptical of it being that.

[doyler]

Im in agreement.. just "sailor art" in my thinking.I posted a knife once from a CB with a Palm tree motif etched into the grip.

 

Also have a Navy helmet with a bit of art done to it.I will post it if I can find the old topic.

 

Found it:

 

Liner and shell have been together for ever.The paint on liner is like the white paint used to paint the name on the front of the helmet.

 

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/178342-smitty/?hl=smitty

[patches]

A 1963 Foto of the Thunderbirds Division's 145th Signal Battalion doing their thing on a drill, Ft Sill probably.

 

 

 

[Normandy1944]

Here's a liner I recently acquired: the liner of WWII medal of honor recipient John J Tominac from his time with the 3rd armored division in the 50's.