canteens, canteens, canteens!

[L11-VELASCO]

Hi alls

 

Expecting my first one US ARMY canteen and trying to learn a few I wonder if there were any regulations about how many rows stitching must have the canvas cover or was a wish from makers and I wonder too if the only one made with 3 ROWS stitching was the one like mine made by BAKER-LOCKWOOD A & T Co1945 ????

 

Finally about grafitti on mine have you seen any others with these ones and could be period made or may be not...???

 

Thanks in advance

 

 

Fernando

 

[cgutierrez]

Wow!  Only a 3-row stitching.  How did I miss that?  I have seen 3-row stitching before on a 1945 dated canteen covers, but only on CALLAWAY MILLS made covers who also make 8-row, 7-row, and zero-row stitched canteen covers.  A hard to find 1945 BAKER-LOCKWOOD with only 3-rows is, I believe, a very good find.

 

CG

[L11-VELASCO]

1 hour ago, cgutierrez said:

Wow!  Only a 3-row stitching.  How did I miss that?  I have seen 3-row stitching before on a 1945 dated canteen covers, but only on CALLAWAY MILLS made covers who also make 8-row, 7-row, and zero-row stitched canteen covers.  A hard to find 1945 BAKER-LOCKWOOD with only 3-rows is, I believe, a very good find.

 

CG

Really I wanted one from those canteens I posted in a previous thread and I didn't see about this 3-rows one but the price(100 EUR shipping included) brought me to decide and happy to know if this one is a Baker-Lockwood 1945 rare or scarce one... 

Another question please :

What do you think about the graffiti on front... Could be something from period and what is this for??? 

Thanks 

[Gregory]

4 hours ago, L11-VELASCO said:

Hi alls

 

Expecting my first one US ARMY canteen and trying to learn a few I wonder if there were any regulations about how many rows stitching must have the canvas cover or was a wish from makers and I wonder too if the only one made with 3 ROWS stitching was the one like mine made by BAKER-LOCKWOOD A & T Co1945 ????

 

It has been the subject discussed between us since late 1990s on previous gunboards,com forum and with participation of the best Canteens expert Richard Ellis. There was no regulation how many stitching lines the cover must have, There were WWII era covers manufactured with 3, 4, 5, 7 and 8 lines, though 7 were most popular. After a quarter of century of my US Canteen colecting I may tell that I have never seen three-line covers other than manufactured by Baker-Lockwood A&T Co. of 1945 fiscal year, i.e. manufactured since July 1st, 1944.

[L11-VELASCO]

9 hours ago, Gregory said:

 

It has been the subject discussed between us since late 1990s on previous gunboards,com forum and with participation of the best Canteens expert Richard Ellis. There was no regulation how many stitching lines the cover must have, There were WWII era covers manufactured with 3, 4, 5, 7 and 8 lines, though 7 were most popular. After a quarter of century of my US Canteen colecting I may tell that I have never seen three-line covers other than manufactured by Baker-Lockwood A&T Co. of 1945 fiscal year, i.e. manufactured since July 1st, 1944.

And then I could assume that these Baker-Lockwood of 1945 like mine are more scarces and rares ones that the rest with more rows from orher makers?? 

Thanks once more

Fernando 

[Gregory]

"The rarest" are various WWII canteen covers, not only with 3 stitching rows.

[L11-VELASCO]

48 minutes ago, Gregory said:

"The rarest" are various WWII canteen covers, not only with 3 stitching rows.

A last question please when you  said that cover Baker-Lockwood A&T Co. of 1945 fiscal year, i.e.  were manufactured since July 1st, 1944 do you mean that  US ARMY men were using  in European and Pacific fronts these canteens with 1945 stamping before this year...since July 1st,1944???

 

Thanks

 

Fernando

[Gregory]

Nobody is able to guarantee it.

 

It depended on so-called Quartermaster Pipeline. Various elements of military equipment manufactured in FY 1945 (i.e. manufactured since July 1st, 1944) were delivered to the ETO (for instance CG-4A gliders, web gear/field gear like M1936 Musette Bags with additional tabs for E-Tool, etc.) So... who knows, maybe 1945 dated canteen covers were on the ETO as well.  It is estimated that US WWII "Quartermaster Pipeline" operated as fast as approx. 5 to 7 months. It means that the US military logistics system required 5-7 months to deliver an item manufactured in the USA to frontline foxhole.

 

[L11-VELASCO]

On 3/14/2023 at 10:44 AM, Gregory said:

 

 

Canteen arrived and Im posting a new pic with this stamping on the botton cover...it could be a Laundry number and it was possible any recording from owner or is impossible???

 

 

 

Thanks in advance

 

Fernando

 

[SGM (ret.)]

On 3/14/2023 at 6:57 AM, Gregory said:

Nobody is able to guarantee it.

 

It depended on so-called Quartermaster Pipeline. Various elements of military equipment manufactured in FY 1945 (i.e. manufactured since July 1st, 1944) were delivered to the ETO (for instance CG-4A gliders, web gear/field gear like M1936 Musette Bags with additional tabs for E-Tool, etc.) So... who knows, maybe 1945 dated canteen covers were on the ETO as well.  It is estimated that US WWII "Quartermaster Pipeline" operated as fast as approx. 5 to 7 months. It means that the US military logistics system required 5-7 months to deliver an item manufactured in the USA to frontline foxhole.

 

Gregory,

 

Would you mind sharing the source for this illustration and, do you perhaps have a higher resolution copy of it?

This would have been a perfect answer a while back to someone asking about "date matched" field gear components and whether or not the military bothered with such trivia.  I wish I'd had this picture to share with the poster.

[L11-VELASCO]

On 3/17/2023 at 10:52 AM, L11-VELASCO said:

 

Canteen arrived and Im posting a new pic with this stamping on the botton cover...it could be a Laundry number and it was possible any recording from owner or is impossible???

 

 

 

Thanks in advance

 

Fernando

 

Nobody could tell me if this ink stamp is a Laundry number and if it would be possible any recording from owner with this...? 

Thanks in advance 

Fernando 

[Browninggunner688]

It is a laundry number, going on WWII US Army enlistment records shows 43 records, it could be anyone of them, without further information, ie, initials or a full surname, I think it would be hard to trace the original service man.

 

Nick.

[Gregory]

On 3/17/2023 at 12:49 PM, SGM (ret.) said:

Gregory,

 

Would you mind sharing the source for this illustration and, do you perhaps have a higher resolution copy of it?

This would have been a perfect answer a while back to someone asking about "date matched" field gear components and whether or not the military bothered with such trivia.  I wish I'd had this picture to share with the poster.

 

I rescued it decades ago from the US militaria section of gunboards.com forum no longer existing (porn idiots and hackers destroyed that forum). I do not remember today what was the original source of this infographic. The original resolution was 72dpi. I upgraded it in Photoshop to 150dpi. I may prepare it for you with 300dpi but original picture still will be the same, i.e. it would a little artificial upgrading.

 

 

 

 

[SGM (ret.)]

12 hours ago, Gregory said:

 

I rescued it decades ago from the US militaria section of gunboards.com forum no longer existing (porn idiots and hackers destroyed that forum). I do not remember today what was the original source of this infographic. The original resolution was 72dpi. I upgraded it in Photoshop to 150dpi. I may prepare it for you with 300dpi but original picture still will be the same, i.e. it would a little artificial upgrading.

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the reply and explanation.  I completely understand the resolution issue and would have tried to do the same with PS except for the reason you already stated.

Too bad, though.  It is an excellent explanation of the system in a single illustration.  There are only a couple of words in the captions that I can't read or understand, so it is still almost 100% even as is.

Do you (or anyone else here) know what the initials "p-c-&-s" or "p-c-a-s" stand for?  I believe that the caption in that block reads "replacement training system maintenance stock" (but that is one of the captions that is most illegible).  I believe that the block above it reads "replacement center stocks for initial issues," but I am unfamiliar with the "p-c-&-s" or "p-c-a-s" acronym.

Again, many thanks for posting up the illustration no matter its resolution.  It's very informative even as it is.

[Browninggunner688]

P.C&S.........Post. Camps & Stations. It says it on the diagram where it says Communication zone, it's underneath where it says that.

 

Nick.

[SGM (ret.)]

1 hour ago, Browninggunner688 said:

P.C&S.........Post. Camps & Stations. It says it on the diagram where it says Communication zone, it's underneath where it says that.

 

Nick.

Thanks, Nick!  I totally failed to make that connection.  Duh!

[Browninggunner688]

Haha, no worries. 2 pairs of eyes are better than 1.

 

Nick.