Garandy Posted September 28, 2013 Author Share #26 Posted September 28, 2013 Did the US buy any commercial models? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeuceGI Posted September 28, 2013 Share #27 Posted September 28, 2013 Hi, Nice looking pistol. The slide & frame markings ID it as a civilian/commercial gun, not U.S. government procured. The barrel marking is consistant with a WWII era pistol. According to the Government Models by Goddard it was shipped from Colt around Feb. of 1918. Veteran story could be accurate, but the gun would'nt be an issue piece. HTH Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garandy Posted September 28, 2013 Author Share #28 Posted September 28, 2013 Thank you, I knew it wasn't a G I Model of 1911, but I had hoped the barrel was original to the pistol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeuceGI Posted September 28, 2013 Share #29 Posted September 28, 2013 According to Clawson's book that barrel marking started in 1937 and was used through 1949 when the "COLT 45 AUTO" moved to the top of the barrel. Still a gorgeous gun. FWIW c99032 was shipped to a Phil B.Beakart 2d. Calif. F. Art S.F. on August 24th of 1917. A 2nd look at the serial number chart shows them in order by ship date not serial # so yours could have shipped between Aug. 1917 & spring of 1918. HTH Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12thengr Posted September 29, 2013 Share #30 Posted September 29, 2013 A commercial Colt a little later than yours, 1921 I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12thengr Posted September 29, 2013 Share #31 Posted September 29, 2013 C130827 non matching slide unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12thengr Posted September 29, 2013 Share #32 Posted September 29, 2013 Same inspector marks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hink441 Posted September 29, 2013 Share #33 Posted September 29, 2013 Great looking pistols. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12thengr Posted September 29, 2013 Share #34 Posted September 29, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12thengr Posted September 29, 2013 Share #35 Posted September 29, 2013 What are the correct markings on a circa 1918-1923 commercial Colt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thorin6 Posted September 29, 2013 Share #36 Posted September 29, 2013 photo (45).JPGWhat are the correct markings on a circa 1918-1923 commercial Colt? According to Clawson"s "Colt .45 Government Model" an "S" and/or "P" forward of the lugs on the bottom. The barrel shown in the picture is a WWII High Standard used on M1911A1 other than Colt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M1Garandy Posted September 29, 2013 Share #37 Posted September 29, 2013 Based on the “G” marking on the toe, it appears that you have a WWII vintage General Shaver manufactured magazine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
islandhopper Posted October 1, 2013 Share #38 Posted October 1, 2013 That General Shaver mag should have a seam running down the back correct? Nice pistols, both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hink441 Posted October 1, 2013 Share #39 Posted October 1, 2013 Yes the General Shaver magazine will have a seam on the back side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpw_42 Posted October 1, 2013 Share #40 Posted October 1, 2013 http://www.coolgunsite.com/pistols/1911infopage.htm Someone else posted the link above in a different thread today. That site has a TON of good info about 1911 parts and accoutrements on it! I like both the weapons posted above. Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collector Posted October 3, 2013 Share #41 Posted October 3, 2013 I'm a fan of 1911s and 1911A1s myself, and have heard many times that the commercial -C- serialed pistols were sometimes used by the military, especially the early ones. Nice pistol, thanks for showing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob lamoreaux Posted October 22, 2013 Share #42 Posted October 22, 2013 Ditto on the possibility that a "C" marked M1911 could have been an issue pistol. Have to check on my old sources. One notable thing, a general question for future use by folks who own War I M1911s: Did the "C" serial numbered 1911s come with a "lanyard magazine" or was that style magazine purely military? Those "lanyard (loop) magazines" are nearly as expensive as some 1911A-1s, last I looked! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwill Posted October 23, 2013 Share #43 Posted October 23, 2013 I'm sorry to disagree but there were NO Government Models (commercial or C serial numbers) issued to US military personnel. They were, of course, bought by the Canadians and Brits and many other governments to issue to their troops. There were about 6,500 commercial pistols transferred to US military contracts. They were finished pistols but the Ordnance Dept made Colt peen out the C series serial numbers and renumber/remark and refinish them to comply with Ordnance specs. Regards, Kevin Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccyooper Posted October 23, 2013 Share #44 Posted October 23, 2013 I have a 1911 that was given to me in the C93K range that has a lanyard loop magazine. The bullets in the magazine were dated 1926 when I received it. The guy I got it from was in his 70-80's at the time and said that is the way he got it from his father prior to WWII. He said he never fired it while he owned it. So I suppose the lanyard loop magazine could be original to the pistol. From what I have read that serial range is right in the transition period. Some authors say no but I believe Clawson states until the C98K range. I'm sure the real colt guru's will be able to provide a more definitive answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hink441 Posted October 23, 2013 Share #45 Posted October 23, 2013 I believe the lanyard loop magazine was ended in 1916. The OP states his pistol is from 1918, so I am pretty sure a lanyard loop magazine was not original to this pistol. I also agree that this one is not a USGI pistol. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccyooper Posted October 24, 2013 Share #46 Posted October 24, 2013 Hink441, I agree with your assessment as I believe Clawson indicates that two tones' started around C85K and that lanyard loops ended around C95K so the OP's pistol would not have had one. In fact without going back to the threads I believe his was a single finish WWII type pictured. To add additional information to the post I was trying to partially answer Mr Lamoreaux's question regarding the magazines in post #42. If you can provide any additional clarity to the matter I am sure both of us would appreciate your comments/information. Regards, CC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hink441 Posted October 24, 2013 Share #47 Posted October 24, 2013 I just read in Poyer's book, that Government models from C28,000 to C 139,999 were originally made with a Colt type 4 magazines. This magazine was dual toned in color, riveted floor plate, and did not have a lanyard loop. I hope this helps. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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