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Typically displaying the Belgian national flag on each side. This is also often to be found on Belgian shells too.

 

 

Flag on left side only, both an liner and shell...

 

Also Belgian liner domes aren't as deep as US WW2 ones... hence an Original WW2 liner only fits poorly in a post WW2 Belgian shell...

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Thanks for the correction Johan....can't argue with a serving member of the Belgian Army who once wore these for real!! :D

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This is a Danish M1 liner of the type which frequently shows up on eBay as an "original US M1 liner". It's clearly made of a hard grey/green ballistic plastic and uses some of the components shown in this thread.

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Here's a classic plastic Euro liner, as above, wrongly described as a "Reproduction US WW2 M1 Liner..." currently on eBayUS.

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/i10D-WWII-US-ARMY-INFANTRY-M1-HELMET-LINER-w-SWEATBAND-AND-CHINSTRAP-/310714194890?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4858025bca

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Great post, very informative! I've long suspected that the chin straps on the very first helmet I ever acquired (and still have) are not original. They are good on some points (for example, the bar tacking is perfect), but something didn't look quite right about the weave of the fabric and, most notably, the hardware was glossy and copper-colored where the black had worn off. I've gone back and forth about them, mostly leaning towards them being replacements, but the spot-on bar tacking would lead me back towards them maybe being original. Now I know for certain. Thanks - Jon.

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Thanks Jon. Post-war US hardware, being chemically "blackened" has a matt, dark grey finish...almost like parkerizing. When it wears off, the metal beneath is silver. That said, I have some "P" marked clips which have a kind of glossy finish...but it's more like bluing and definitely not paint! Earlier 50s hardware would be painted light OD, of course...but silver where it wears away.

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Edit for post #12. The type of Euro webbing shown there does not have a white cotton core, but some other variants do, as can be seen in a subsequent post.

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Euro chinstrap with green painted hardware...possibly used on the later versions of the French Casque '51 ? Note the white core in this style of webbing.

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Ian thank you for this thread. I had hoped to start something similar but didn't have much to start with so this is a great help.

 

Now here's my riddle. The helmet on the left came with the non marked, one piece nape strap that appears to be Belgin, and the rest of the webbing other than the sweatband (looks to be US, dated 1959, US clips) seems to match the nape strap. The rivets appear to be orignial and not re-works, the liner is a capac. I'm stumped, what is this?

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Hmmm. I suppose we need to find out if (initially at least) US made liners were supplied to the European countries such as Belgium and subsequently refurbished before they began production of their own model.

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Dave...did the sweatbands come with the liners? If so, are they of the HBT weave with flat profile clips like I posted earlier? Any markings at all?

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Belgian liners came in different pattern over time...

 

Early ones were similar to the US WW2 high pressure models, complete with insignia eyelet up front... A-washers were either riveted, screwed-on or even fixed with semi-round clips...

 

Later on liners were molded from plastic...

 

Liners and shells made or painted blue were Air Force issue...

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Ian,

 

Do you still have the pictures of the 1960's NOS Belgian Helmet I sent you a while ago... Those clearly show the early cork finish on the shell, while later helmet shells were smooth...

 

Johan...I think they are best described as "lost"...sorry! Can you re-post them here maybe?

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Belgian liners came in different pattern over time...

 

Early ones were similar to the US WW2 high pressure models, complete with insignia eyelet up front... A-washers were either riveted, screwed-on or even fixed with semi-round clips...

 

Later on liners were molded from plastic...

 

Liners and shells made or painted blue were Air Force issue...

 

Hi Johan Willaert

 

The photo of my early Belgium liner, as the insignia eyelet at front, this one, the webbing is attached my little nuts, and screw head bolts, first one I have seen like this, but then I'm new to all this.

 

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Dave...did the sweatbands come with the liners? If so, are they of the HBT weave with flat profile clips like I posted earlier? Any markings at all?

 

Hi Ian

 

The sweatbands came with the liners, 1st photo of sweatband came out of the blue liner, 2nd out of olive drab liner.

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Dave...did the sweatbands come with the liners? If so, are they of the HBT weave with flat profile clips like I posted earlier? Any markings at all?

 

The sweatbands came with the liners, can't find any markings on them. 1st sweatband photo came out of the blue liner, 2nd sweatband out of olive drab liner.

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Classic Euro-sweatband. Thanks for posting.

"We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender!"

 

Winston Churchill

" Life is what happens to you when you're busy making other plans."

John Winston Lennon

 

 

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In reference to the US liners provided early in production: -YES (sort of')

From what I was told; Denmark and possibly Norway were initially provided with US helmets, along with US liners. The damp climate proved hard conditions on the fiber liners, and most were eventually replaced with the plastic. (First run of plastic liners-1957) New production came standard with plastc. Occasionally a Danish helmet can be found with a WW2 US liner.

 

I was also under the impression, that despite minor differences & nationalities, many of the European M1 shells were produced by Ulbricht in Austria. (U.SCH) - Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Norway, (and the Netherlands?) contracted U.SCH production. The liners were often respective national production or replacement.

 

SABREJET: Excellent info and thread. VERY useful.

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