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My lord... I don't consider this a junk room friend. The scale of how everything is displayed is outstanding, and I love how you incorporated some captured german items. Really nice touch to add some "trophies" from the units the 17th fought against. I've always considered the 17th to be somewhat overshadowed by the 101st and 82nd, but it's really nice to see someone focus on them so greatly.

Looking for anything related to Army Ranger Battalions from World War II

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Thanks for the supportive comments folks! My inspiration for collecting has been the museums in Europe. They have a unique and eye catching way of setting up their displays as the photo from Deikirch and the La Gleize photo provided by Johan show.. They attempt to show every little detail in the scenes to create a historical and accurate portrayal of the life of the GI. I have a long way to go to match their displays, but it is fun working towards that goal. Yes I agree about the 17th AB, and am glad more collectors are seeing that too.

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Digging through some of my C-Ration can B-units as I start the draft of a book on rations. Here's a view of the label details from them. I just need to nail down the era of the cans marked with SUPPER. The QM historical Studies manual is not clear, but I have to read through the fine details and footnotes.

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How many pages is that unit history?

 

If you are talking about the QM history, it is about 150 pages. It is available through

 

National Capital Historical Sales Inc

Springfield VA

703-569-6663

 

At least it was when I bought it about a decade ago. I do not see it on their web right now:

 

http://www.nchsinc.com/SearchResults.asp?searching=Y&sort=13&cat=1948&show=10&page=1

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Hi, Military Engineer,

look on web page my friend Hayes: www.hayesotoupalik.com Tom

Item number 000712

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In memory of 798 Marine Raiders who were killed in action in World War II.

In memory of four U.S. Army Servicemans from 328th regiment , 26th infantry division.

THOMAS BOWMAN KIA 10/30 1944

WILLIAM Bereza KIA 12/24 1944

CHESTER MUNDELIUS KIA 3/14 1945

ALAN Milne KIA 4/8 1945

 

And when he gets to Heaven, Saint Peter he will tell: "Another Marine reporting, sir — I've served my time in Hell!"

 

 

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Mady,

Thanks for posting that link. In the meanwhile I began working on my US Army Special Services Phonograph. Everything works fine except the rubber gasket that goes between the tone arm and the reproducer that contains the needle and diaphragm. The red gasket is shrunk and cracking. NOS ones are generally in the same condition. I purchased a sheet of red rubber gasket material to fabricate a new one. I am using William Harvey #20502 material. Will cut it as a strip to match the hose-type gasket and insert it into the reproducer. It is 3/32" thick which is close to the real material, although due to shrinkage I cannot tell for sure what the original thickness was. I do not have a TM. I will leave the original finish as is rather than refinishing it.

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Jamie,

I was leaning that way also, but then I received a file of images from the QM Museum. I asked the curator for ww2 images and here is what he sent. I cropped this so it would fit in the size limit, but you can clearly see the cans marked with the large font and SUPPER. I have to confirm the color image is not KW era, but we spoke only about WW2 rations. I called the curator just now, and he will get back with me. He thinks this image came from a work done in WW2, but will confirm.

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Great detective work you're doing and I'd love to hear what the curator can find out for you on the date. There are several clues one could take from this picture. ne possibility would be to try and identify the menu items on the can and determine when that particular type was released. For example, I see what appears to be several cans labeled "Meat and Noodles" and "Ham and Lima Beans." According the the surprisingly detailed Wikipedia article on C Rations it says the following:

 

The "M" Unit

The M-unit contained a canned entrée originally made of stew meat (a mixture of beef and pork) seasoned with salt, various spices, and chopped onions. They initially came in three varieties: Meat Stew with Beans, Meat with Vegetable Hash, and Meat Stew with Vegetables (carrots and potatoes). The commonplace nature of the menu was intentional, and designed to duplicate the menu items (hash, stews, etc.) soldiers were normally served as A- or B-rations in Army mess halls.

Another new menu item, "Meat & Spaghetti in Tomato Sauce" was added in 1943. In late 1944 "Chopped Ham, Egg, and Potato"; "Meat and Noodles"; "Pork and Rice"; "Frankfurters and Beans"; "Pork and Beans"; "Ham and Lima Beans"; and "Chicken and Vegetables" were introduced in an attempt to increase the C rations' period of continuous use. The unpopular Meat Hash and equally unpopular experimental "Mutton Stew with Vegetables" meal were dropped. In the final revision, "Beef Stew with Vegetables" was added in 1945. By all accounts, after the meat hash and mutton stew, the Ham and Lima Beans entree was the most unpopular; despite continued negative field reports, it unaccountably remained a standard entree item not only during World War II, but also during the Korean War and Vietnam War.[15]

 

 

Granted, I cannot verify the complete accuracy of this article and cans of "Meat and Noodles" may have very well been produced STARTING in 1944/1945 through Korea and beyond, but it could be another angle worth trying in your attempt to date. In addition, it might be worth researching when the military went to the "sleeve" type of carton or when the accessory packet switch from the soft pack to the can. A lot of what I'm reading tends to support the idea that the accessory pack was packed in a tin can during the early 50s, only to return to a soft pack during the Vietnam era.

 

Fun stuff! :)

Jamie

 

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I cropped the carton for the Accessory pack in the image above. here's the full view, but they placed something in front so you cannot read the date of Manuf. imprint. Too bad. Also according to the QM History, the access. packs were packaged in paper over foil. I think the ones in the pic match, but I need to look at that again. Thansk for posting the data on the additional M-unit varieties. I need to read more there also.

 

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Met two new friends last week. They offered to help me get my WLA back on the road. I had a kick start issue (ratcheted and would not grab). They invited me to the workshop and we eventually removed the transmission and cracked open the case. Overall it was in good shape with no gear damage, and only some wear to the drive bearing washers. The starter gear was worn enough to inhibit good engagement on the intermediate shaft. While drinking a few well deserved Import beers we consulted the parts list and I have the needed items and gasket set on order. At the end of June we will put everything back together and fire it up. Can't wait, as it has sat for over 3 years waiting to breathe New Mexico air. I forgot to take the camera to their workshop, but I'll get some assembly images later. Probably around the end of June.

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Aside from the the 139th AEB, I am enamored with Tank Destroyer units of the ETO. Although I do not collect their paraphernelia, I have a couple of original TD unit histories and enjoy reading them. I previously owned an M-20 which I marked as a vehicle of the Recon Company of the 774th TD Bn. I decided to mark my 42WLA in a similar manner. It will soon ride as vehicle 13 of the Recon Co, 774th TD Bn. Photographic evidence shows the 774th TD Bn with WLA's in use.

 

On or about the 12th of October, 1944, the 2nd Platoon of the Recon Company had moved to positions overlooking the Moselle River near the town of Noveant. Their mission was to observe and report all enemy activity in the town of Corney on the east bank of the river. During this mission, Lt. Gerding and S/Sgt Vincent were wounded, but unfortunately, T/5 Stanley J. Wszolek was killed. In honor of his sacrifice, I decided to dedicate the WLA to his name.

 

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The American Battle Monuments Commission has him listed as:

 

Stanley J. Wszolek
Technician Fifth Class, U.S. Army
774th Tank Destroyer Battalion
Entered the Service From: New Hampshire
Service #: 20139904
Date of Death: October 12, 1944
Wars or Conflicts: WW2
Buried:
Plot E Row 36 Grave 27
Lorraine American Cemetery
St. Avold, France

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Still working on the tools for the 42WLA, and I'm getting close to filling up the tool roll. Bought a repro roll, If I find an original one later at a fair price I'll upgrade, but that is not likely. I'm not 100% sure on the pliers or the Diamond crescent wrench, but they are close.

 

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Just cut and sized the gasket material to make a replacement gasket for my WW2 phonograph. It is ever so slightly larger than required, but by shaving off a very thin layer of the inside diameter of the material, the tone arm fit snugly into the sound reproducer with no problem.

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Found this in an antique store about 12 years ago. IT was opened with the contents as shown here. The syrette is empty, having dried up long ago. I left everything as I found it. The previous owner had opened every thing to see inside.The image shows the entire contents of the Parachutist's First Aid Kit along with the original instruction tag. Its amazing that all of that stuff was crammed into such a small space.

 

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I just added this ration can to my collection. By all accounts it appears to be a WW2 ration can used to hold tea for use in field kitchens. I have not made a 100% positive confirmation of this by photographic evidence, but the OD finish, the nondescript lettering and the lacquered interior finish all point to WW2 war-time use by the Army. I'd be interested in your opinions on it.

 

 

 

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Hi Oz, wonderful WWII ration can. Thank for your sharing. Tom

In memory of 798 Marine Raiders who were killed in action in World War II.

In memory of four U.S. Army Servicemans from 328th regiment , 26th infantry division.

THOMAS BOWMAN KIA 10/30 1944

WILLIAM Bereza KIA 12/24 1944

CHESTER MUNDELIUS KIA 3/14 1945

ALAN Milne KIA 4/8 1945

 

And when he gets to Heaven, Saint Peter he will tell: "Another Marine reporting, sir — I've served my time in Hell!"

 

 

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Thansk Tom. I appreciate your thread on the ration cans that is still active. lots of great photos of stuff from your collection.

Thanks Oz !!! Tom

In memory of 798 Marine Raiders who were killed in action in World War II.

In memory of four U.S. Army Servicemans from 328th regiment , 26th infantry division.

THOMAS BOWMAN KIA 10/30 1944

WILLIAM Bereza KIA 12/24 1944

CHESTER MUNDELIUS KIA 3/14 1945

ALAN Milne KIA 4/8 1945

 

And when he gets to Heaven, Saint Peter he will tell: "Another Marine reporting, sir — I've served my time in Hell!"

 

 

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