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First of all...thanks a lot for this great thread!!...I only have one question...

 

Type IIIB Flat clutch back (3-piece) 1943-?

Type IIIB Flat clutch back (2-piece) 1946-present

 

Here are a few examples of the Type IIIB clutch back:

 

 

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What is the difference between these two "Type IIIB"?...I mean...there are two sub-types (the 3 pieces and the 2 pieces)...the examples of the pictures what kind of "type IIIB" are???

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First of all...thanks a lot for this great thread!!...I only have one question...

 

 

What is the difference between these two "Type IIIB"?...I mean...there are two sub-types (the 3 pieces and the 2 pieces)...the examples of the pictures what kind of "type IIIB" are???

Thanks!

 

Hello!

 

I saw your question and think I can easily clarify the primary difference between Type IIIA and IIIB.

 

You are correct, there are sub-types that are of 3-piece and 2-piece construction for both Types IIIA & IIIB.

 

Type IIIA are screwback

 

Type IIIB are clutchback

 

If anyone has additional info other than this it would be most welcome!

 

Best wishes,

 

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Here are a couple of pics of my Amcraft Metal IIIA Illinois state guard disks. I picked these up locally a while back I thought I would share them here.

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I see in your amazing thread about the history of the collar disk that the Type II disk use was unofficially extended until 1940. Would this mean that a soldier might be wearing a Type II disk on a M1939 pattern coat with the bi-swing back? Any possibility that a pre-war national guard soldier continued to wear this type of disk throughout the war?

 

Has anyone seen an instance of this? Anyone know about the supply situation in regards to pre-war soldiers when the new uniform pattern came out. I imagine that National Guard units were not too overly concerned about the difference in pattern between the M1926 and M1939 to issue a new coat and I imagine the same going for the collar disk. I, unfortunately, cannot find any pictures of National Guard soldiers being mobilized in 1940 - 41 that shows enough detail on their collars.

 

I have a Type II 251st Coast Artillery disk that I am itching to put on a uniform for living history, but until I can locate an M1926 (which is turning out to be a lot harder than I thought it would be) but I don't want to put it on my M1939 coat unless it actually happened.


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I have a question that maybe some of you insignia collectors could assist me with. I have searched high and low and have yet to see a plain gilt US Type I collar disk. Any that I have encountered are numbered and I am starting to wonder if they even exist. It seems that they would given the number of disks out there in this style. Does anyone have one that they could share on here?

 

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I answered my own question about the Gilt Type I US disk. I located one and yes, they do exist. I don't have the photo but they are pretty self explanatory.

 

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Just picked up this very unusual matched pair of Type II discs.

I say unusual, because they are the only two piece Type II discs I personally have ever seen.

Scipio mentions them on page 232-233 of his book and shows a few examples.

Both are beautifully made, have a Meyer Metal hallmark and a raised reverse Meyer shield.

The Meyer Metal mark was first used in 1923, but I am wondering if these were a transitional piece made

right before the introduction of the type III discs.

 

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I just picked up a small "button jar" type collection of pins and insignia and found two "US" collar discs.

 

I don't collect collar discs, but do have numerous uniforms and haven't seen a collar disc of this type before. I looked through the posting on here (mainly scanned pictures), but please excuse me if I overlooked one here.

 

To the disc (displayed next to another that came with it)-- it is dark almost old lead colored and very light weight. It has black on the background and may have once covered the disc to make the "US" stand out. The back is two piece in construction with "*EXTRA*". The small pins plied up to prevent spinning show what looks like cardboard between the two pieces of the disc.

 

Any information is appreciated. Again-- sorry if I overlooked an example on this posting.

 

Thanks.

 

Scott

 

 

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I just picked up a small "button jar" type collection of pins and insignia and found two "US" collar discs.

 

I don't collect collar discs, but do have numerous uniforms and haven't seen a collar disc of this type before. I looked through the posting on here (mainly scanned pictures), but please excuse me if I overlooked one here.

 

To the disc (displayed next to another that came with it)-- it is dark almost old lead colored and very light weight. It has black on the background and may have once covered the disc to make the "US" stand out. The back is two piece in construction with "*EXTRA*". The small pins plied up to prevent spinning show what looks like cardboard between the two pieces of the disc.

 

Any information is appreciated. Again-- sorry if I overlooked an example on this posting.

 

Thanks.

 

Scott

 

 

 

 

This looks like a button to me and not a collar disk. There is a thread on here about old buttons. I would post this in that thread to find out more information. One member on here collects buttons.

 

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This looks like a button to me and not a collar disk. There is a thread on here about old buttons. I would post this in that thread to find out more information. One member on here collects buttons.

 

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Thanks-- appreciate the input.

 

I wasn't aware of buttons with screw back on them. I'll check through the postings and see what I find.

 

Scott

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I just picked up a small "button jar" type collection of pins and insignia and found two "US" collar discs.

 

I don't collect collar discs, but do have numerous uniforms and haven't seen a collar disc of this type before.   I looked through the posting on here (mainly scanned pictures), but please excuse me if I overlooked one here.

 

To the disc (displayed next to another that came with it)-- it is dark almost old lead colored and very light weight.  It has black on the background and may have once covered the disc to make the "US" stand out.  The back is two piece in construction with "*EXTRA*".  The small pins plied up to prevent spinning show what looks like cardboard between the two pieces of the disc.

 

Any information is appreciated.  Again-- sorry if I overlooked an example on this posting.

 

Thanks.

 

Scott

 

 

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You collar disk marked Extra is a post-WWI occupation period disk. The construction is similar to a uniform button and the back is marked "EXTRA FEIN." You can find these in darkened and gilt finish. I'll post a pic of my when I get a chance.

 

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I should add to my last post, they were German made.

 

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Thanks much Mike-- I appreciate the confirmation and era information.

 

Construction/ "US" had me fairly sure it was a collar disk. I'd like to see yours when you can post.

 

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Thanks much Mike-- I appreciate the confirmation and era information.

 

Construction/ "US" had me fairly sure it was a collar disk. I'd like to see yours when you can post.

 

Scott

 

Scott, here is mine as requested.

 

-Mike

 

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Last one. This one is also marked on the nut. The H.A. Co. Kal., Mich. It was manufactured by the Henderson-Ames Co. in Kalamazoo, Michigan. A side note on this disk- This is one of many variations of US Type I collar disks. You can find them with no periods, one period, or two. This one has probably been the most difficult to find.

 

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Here's a nice example of a Type IV disk. This particular one was made by N.S. Meyer.

 

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Type 1 Pinback Variation

Generally regarded as French made but not all, see Air Corps which is maker marked by American Emblem.

 

LH top to bottom:

Quartermaster Corps

Signal Corps

Air Service

 

RH top to bottom:

National Disk

Transportation Corps

Artillery Corps

 

Bottom Center:

National Disk (Reserves)

 

 

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