Mitter2k1 Posted November 4, 2013 Share #76 Posted November 4, 2013 Here are a couple of pics of my Amcraft Metal IIIA Illinois state guard disks. I picked these up locally a while back I thought I would share them here. The back. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N900A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kman1752 Posted February 23, 2014 Share #77 Posted February 23, 2014 Didn't see any of the transitional Air Force disks, so here's a set for reference. This is the most common type, the scarcer Gemsco disks have the posts at top and bottom, as opposed to left and right. In the early 1920's these experimental enameled collar disks were made. I have also seen them with black enamel. Here's a very nice pair of rare disks. They were made in Caracas, Venezuela. Each has two screwback fasteners/posts. Only ones I've ever seen from Venezuela. Here's one more odd one, only one I've seen. Reverse marked "Meyer Metal". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NGCoastArtillery41 Posted March 13, 2014 Share #78 Posted March 13, 2014 I see in your amazing thread about the history of the collar disk that the Type II disk use was unofficially extended until 1940. Would this mean that a soldier might be wearing a Type II disk on a M1939 pattern coat with the bi-swing back? Any possibility that a pre-war national guard soldier continued to wear this type of disk throughout the war? Has anyone seen an instance of this? Anyone know about the supply situation in regards to pre-war soldiers when the new uniform pattern came out. I imagine that National Guard units were not too overly concerned about the difference in pattern between the M1926 and M1939 to issue a new coat and I imagine the same going for the collar disk. I, unfortunately, cannot find any pictures of National Guard soldiers being mobilized in 1940 - 41 that shows enough detail on their collars. I have a Type II 251st Coast Artillery disk that I am itching to put on a uniform for living history, but until I can locate an M1926 (which is turning out to be a lot harder than I thought it would be) but I don't want to put it on my M1939 coat unless it actually happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitter2k1 Posted May 30, 2014 Share #79 Posted May 30, 2014 I have a question that maybe some of you insignia collectors could assist me with. I have searched high and low and have yet to see a plain gilt US Type I collar disk. Any that I have encountered are numbered and I am starting to wonder if they even exist. It seems that they would given the number of disks out there in this style. Does anyone have one that they could share on here? Thanks, Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitter2k1 Posted June 13, 2014 Share #80 Posted June 13, 2014 I answered my own question about the Gilt Type I US disk. I located one and yes, they do exist. I don't have the photo but they are pretty self explanatory. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-17Guy Posted October 26, 2014 Share #81 Posted October 26, 2014 Just picked up this very unusual matched pair of Type II discs. I say unusual, because they are the only two piece Type II discs I personally have ever seen. Scipio mentions them on page 232-233 of his book and shows a few examples. Both are beautifully made, have a Meyer Metal hallmark and a raised reverse Meyer shield. The Meyer Metal mark was first used in 1923, but I am wondering if these were a transitional piece made right before the introduction of the type III discs. Best, John Hallmarks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiques Posted October 20, 2016 Share #82 Posted October 20, 2016 I just picked up a small "button jar" type collection of pins and insignia and found two "US" collar discs. I don't collect collar discs, but do have numerous uniforms and haven't seen a collar disc of this type before. I looked through the posting on here (mainly scanned pictures), but please excuse me if I overlooked one here. To the disc (displayed next to another that came with it)-- it is dark almost old lead colored and very light weight. It has black on the background and may have once covered the disc to make the "US" stand out. The back is two piece in construction with "*EXTRA*". The small pins plied up to prevent spinning show what looks like cardboard between the two pieces of the disc. Any information is appreciated. Again-- sorry if I overlooked an example on this posting. Thanks. Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutiger83 Posted October 20, 2016 Author Share #83 Posted October 20, 2016 I just picked up a small "button jar" type collection of pins and insignia and found two "US" collar discs. I don't collect collar discs, but do have numerous uniforms and haven't seen a collar disc of this type before. I looked through the posting on here (mainly scanned pictures), but please excuse me if I overlooked one here. To the disc (displayed next to another that came with it)-- it is dark almost old lead colored and very light weight. It has black on the background and may have once covered the disc to make the "US" stand out. The back is two piece in construction with "*EXTRA*". The small pins plied up to prevent spinning show what looks like cardboard between the two pieces of the disc. Any information is appreciated. Again-- sorry if I overlooked an example on this posting. Thanks. Scott This looks like a button to me and not a collar disk. There is a thread on here about old buttons. I would post this in that thread to find out more information. One member on here collects buttons. ...Kat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiques Posted October 20, 2016 Share #84 Posted October 20, 2016 This looks like a button to me and not a collar disk. There is a thread on here about old buttons. I would post this in that thread to find out more information. One member on here collects buttons. ...Kat Thanks-- appreciate the input. I wasn't aware of buttons with screw back on them. I'll check through the postings and see what I find. Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitter2k1 Posted October 20, 2016 Share #85 Posted October 20, 2016 I just picked up a small "button jar" type collection of pins and insignia and found two "US" collar discs. I don't collect collar discs, but do have numerous uniforms and haven't seen a collar disc of this type before. I looked through the posting on here (mainly scanned pictures), but please excuse me if I overlooked one here. To the disc (displayed next to another that came with it)-- it is dark almost old lead colored and very light weight. It has black on the background and may have once covered the disc to make the "US" stand out. The back is two piece in construction with "*EXTRA*". The small pins plied up to prevent spinning show what looks like cardboard between the two pieces of the disc. Any information is appreciated. Again-- sorry if I overlooked an example on this posting. Thanks. Scott {style_image_url}/attachicon.gif cdus1.jpg {style_image_url}/attachicon.gif cdus2.jpg {style_image_url}/attachicon.gif cdus4.jpg You collar disk marked Extra is a post-WWI occupation period disk. The construction is similar to a uniform button and the back is marked "EXTRA FEIN." You can find these in darkened and gilt finish. I'll post a pic of my when I get a chance. -Mike Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G925A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitter2k1 Posted October 20, 2016 Share #86 Posted October 20, 2016 I should add to my last post, they were German made. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G925A using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiques Posted October 20, 2016 Share #87 Posted October 20, 2016 I should add to my last post, they were German made. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G925A using Tapatalk Thanks much Mike-- I appreciate the confirmation and era information. Construction/ "US" had me fairly sure it was a collar disk. I'd like to see yours when you can post. Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitter2k1 Posted October 21, 2016 Share #88 Posted October 21, 2016 Thanks much Mike-- I appreciate the confirmation and era information. Construction/ "US" had me fairly sure it was a collar disk. I'd like to see yours when you can post. Scott Scott, here is mine as requested. -Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitter2k1 Posted October 21, 2016 Share #89 Posted October 21, 2016 Here are a few marked disks from my collection. The first one up is made by US Specialty Co., New York. -Mike Next up is a disk marked on the nut. The company is Whitehead and Hoag, Newark, NJ. -Mike Last one. This one is also marked on the nut. The H.A. Co. Kal., Mich. It was manufactured by the Henderson-Ames Co. in Kalamazoo, Michigan. A side note on this disk- This is one of many variations of US Type I collar disks. You can find them with no periods, one period, or two. This one has probably been the most difficult to find. -Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedgehead30 Posted November 8, 2018 Share #90 Posted November 8, 2018 Here's a nice example of a Type IV disk. This particular one was made by N.S. Meyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvage Sailor Posted July 30, 2019 Share #91 Posted July 30, 2019 Type 1 Pinback Variation Generally regarded as French made but not all, see Air Corps which is maker marked by American Emblem. LH top to bottom: Quartermaster Corps Signal Corps Air Service RH top to bottom: National Disk Transportation Corps Artillery Corps Bottom Center: National Disk (Reserves) Type1-Pinback-Obverse001_LO.jpg Pin back Engineer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvage Sailor Posted July 30, 2019 Share #92 Posted July 30, 2019 Four piece Oroid Air Corps disc, Hilborn Hamburger (H-H) 1930's - Assembled Four piece Oroid Air Corps disc, Hilborn Hamburger (H-H) 1930's - Disassembled Hawaiian Air Force, Wheeler Field, T.H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted July 30, 2019 Share #93 Posted July 30, 2019 Four piece Oroid Air Corps disc, Hilborn Hamburger (H-H) 1930's - Disassembled Nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kansas Raider Posted February 2, 2020 Share #94 Posted February 2, 2020 Hi, is there a book for the state guard collar discs? Thanks Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin B. Posted February 9, 2020 Share #95 Posted February 9, 2020 Some may be interested to see the 1907 order that was the origin of the collar disks, which were called buttons at the time. "On and after July 1, 1908, the collar ornament prescribed in paragraph 71, General Orders, No. 169, War Department, August 14, 1907, will consist of dull-finished bronze metal buttons, attached to the collar, two on each side, by means of a threaded post and thumb-screw nut. The buttons will be one inch in diameter, with raised edge, one showing in relief in the center the letters U. S., gothic design, and the other the insignia of the corps, department, or arm of service, according to sealed patterns in the office of the Quartermaster General. "Organization commanders will exercise the greatest care in the issue of collar ornaments now in use to enlisted men under their commands, to the end that further purchases of those ornaments may not be necessary." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutiger83 Posted February 10, 2020 Author Share #96 Posted February 10, 2020 Justin, Very cool! Thanks for adding this to the thread! ...Kat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin B. Posted February 10, 2020 Share #97 Posted February 10, 2020 Justin, Very cool! Thanks for adding this to the thread! Thanks for the thread to add to! Great information here. Justin B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merritt Posted February 13, 2020 Share #98 Posted February 13, 2020 Hello. I have a Type I blackened state of Connecticut "CT" collar disk with post nut that looks every bit as old and original as any regular state disk from the 1916 era. However, it is made of STEEL! A magnet attracts it so it's a ferrous metal. I never heard of a steel collar disk before. Any ideas out there? There are no maker's marks of any kind on the reverse. What's up with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtd_sf_eng Posted April 1, 2022 Share #99 Posted April 1, 2022 On 8/22/2013 at 9:25 PM, cutiger83 said: Type IV Collar Disks The Type IV disk is a thick stamped insignia of one piece construction with a clutch fastener. Use of this disk was short-lived so only limited examples are known to exist. Indications are the period of its production was about 1942-1943. Reference Scipio, The Collar Disk Story (1907-1999) pg 273 This is a beautiful example of the rare Type IV collar disk. Thanks JMAR for sending me this picture of his collar disk. I recently posted the three disks of the same types, which one has the "Acidtest" while the other two have been stamped. Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvage Sailor Posted April 1, 2022 Share #100 Posted April 1, 2022 On 2/1/2020 at 6:07 PM, Kansas Raider said: Hi, is there a book for the state guard collar discs? Thanks Steve I wish there was, still haven't ID'd this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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