jmar Posted September 16, 2013 Share #51 Posted September 16, 2013 Hello again M2K1 I wish I could give you more info on the unclassified disk you shared. I was going through my disks and lo and behold I found this example. Didn't even know I had it or that I had it or knew anything at all about it until you posted yours. I still need to do a LOT of organizing on my enlisted BOS side. Will probably sort and store them like I do the officer's devices shown in my thread a few weeks ago. The lacquer is flecking off, but looks far worse in the scan, looks much better in hand. Thanks again for bringing up this unusual variation! Best wishes, Joe the reverse: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutiger83 Posted September 16, 2013 Author Share #52 Posted September 16, 2013 I was going through my disks and lo and behold I found this example. Didn't even know I had it or that I had it or knew anything at all about it until you posted yours. I still need to do a LOT of organizing on my enlisted BOS side. Will probably sort and store them like I do the officer's devices shown in my thread a few weeks ago. Joe, Very nice example! You really have some rare ones! You need to get to organizing your enlisted ones! ....Kat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Posted September 17, 2013 Share #53 Posted September 17, 2013 Great work Kat! My highest compliments! I have a set of domed brass that are actually World War II vintage. They have extra long screw posts, with the later war nut. They are kind of an anomaly, but are definitely original to the named 8th Air Force coat that they are on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitter2k1 Posted September 17, 2013 Share #54 Posted September 17, 2013 The lacquer is flecking off, but looks far worse in the scan, looks much better in hand. Could you explain what you mean by lacquer on the disk. Is it a kind of clear protective coating that is similar on what is used today on all of the polished brass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgawne Posted September 17, 2013 Share #55 Posted September 17, 2013 I was tired of all my disks slipping and sliding around in riker mounts, and always having a few just slightly out of alignment. So have found a very nice way to store and display disks in button cases. The are similar to riker mounts, but have 24-36- 50 or so clear plastic 1" round cases that fit disks perfectly. And a foam cut insert so the small plastic containers are always equally spaced. such as these: http://sgtriker.com/flock3.htm (note: I am sure there are many sources, but I have bought from this guy with god luck in the past). The little plastic containers are filled with a foam insert. This means you have to cut it down for the disk to fit right and not push off the cap. I just take scissors and cut off about 1/3 of the foam inset, and it lets the disk sit pretty well in the container- which is held in place by the over all foam insert. Brass disks look REALLY nice against the black background, and black ones I put in with a white insert. What's pretty cool about it is that if I want to shift them around, the little containers just pop out and you can easily shift them around from place to place, or case to case. So if I add a new regt disk I can shift all the rest down a place and add the new one in numerical order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitter2k1 Posted September 17, 2013 Share #56 Posted September 17, 2013 Jgawne, I am glad you shared this info. I've seen pics of it and sent a couple of pm's to the poster, but never got a reply. I've been using foam board with holes cut into it, and believe me that wasn't an easy task. So these hold WWI collar disks without any issue? If so I know I'll be buying a couple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Posted September 17, 2013 Share #57 Posted September 17, 2013 OK, here is my contribution that I mentioned above. Here are the brass, as they appear on the uniform. The attribution of the collar brass and jacket - served during World War II as an aircraft mechanic in the 8th Air Force. Closeup of the brass - it has been on there forever. More detail... Final shot of the backs.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutiger83 Posted September 17, 2013 Author Share #58 Posted September 17, 2013 Final shot of the backs.... Great collar disks. I believe they are a type IIIA because it looks like the retaining nut can be removed from the back. Is this correct? It is interesting that it looks like one of them had the original retaining nut replaced with a normal retaining nut for a screw. Thanks so much for adding your pictures! ....Kat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Posted September 17, 2013 Share #59 Posted September 17, 2013 Hi Kat, Yes, the retaining nut can be removed, and the entire piece is multipiece construction. This is definitely dome shaped, so would it still be classified as Type IIIA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmar Posted September 17, 2013 Share #60 Posted September 17, 2013 Could you explain what you mean by lacquer on the disk. Is it a kind of clear protective coating that is similar on what is used today on all of the polished brass? Yes, it's a protective coating that I've seen used on a variety of metal insignia as far back as (at least) WW II. I used the term "lacquer" for want of a better term since I have no idea what they used back then. After many years it becomes brittle and flakes off, often resulting in an uneven tone to the brass or base metal due to irregular oxidation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_rambow Posted September 18, 2013 Share #61 Posted September 18, 2013 This one has me puzzled. I also have a "US" disc with the same reverse hardware, although the obverse details are a much older style. I'd also be interested in knowing more about what this represents. Came with a group of insignia to a NJ national guard WW2-Korea vet, but seems like an older post WWI style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutiger83 Posted September 18, 2013 Author Share #62 Posted September 18, 2013 Yes, the retaining nut can be removed, and the entire piece is multipiece construction. This is definitely dome shaped, so would it still be classified as Type IIIA? Correct. I believe this would be classified as a Type IIIA. ...Kat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutiger83 Posted September 18, 2013 Author Share #63 Posted September 18, 2013 This one has me puzzled. I also have a "US" disc with the same reverse hardware, although the obverse details are a much older style. I found a picture in the book "The Collar Disk" of a similar NJ disk but with a D. The one is the book is listed as being a New Jersey disk but doesn't say what the D represents. I believe yours is for C company. Can you show the US disk? Does it have NG on it for National Guard? ...Kat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Posted September 18, 2013 Share #64 Posted September 18, 2013 Thank you Kat for the information - I thoroughly appreciate it! Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_rambow Posted September 18, 2013 Share #65 Posted September 18, 2013 I found a picture in the book "The Collar Disk" of a similar NJ disk but with a D. The one is the book is listed as being a New Jersey disk but doesn't say what the D represents. I believe yours is for C company. Can you show the US disk? Does it have NG on it for National Guard? ...Kat The "US" disc I have didn't come with this group, unfortunately. I bought it in a lot of other mostly "US" discs and other insignia at auction. No national Army, no National Guard on it. Until I found this one, I always thought the tiny "rasp" hardware on the reverse was rather suspicious. I'll put up pictures of the other one when I get home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_rambow Posted September 18, 2013 Share #66 Posted September 18, 2013 More pictures: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitter2k1 Posted September 19, 2013 Share #67 Posted September 19, 2013 Does anyone have any of the plastic collar disks in their collection? I tried to buy these a week ago but got outbid. I didn't know what there were worth so I only bid a few bucks on them. Here are a couple of pics I took from the listing and even the nut looks to be plastic. I assume they are from the WWII era and the seller listed them as econo-plastic disks. Is that the correct term for them and what would a pair go for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmar Posted September 19, 2013 Share #68 Posted September 19, 2013 More pictures: Hello! I found your NJ "C" disk on page 157, figure 9-200 of Emerson's Encyclopedia of United States Army Insignia and Uniforms. It states: Between 1935 and 1940, New Jersey had a battalion of black troops as part of the New Jersey Guard. Each company, the battalion headquarters, and a band had collar insignia of this type. I hope this helps! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutiger83 Posted September 19, 2013 Author Share #69 Posted September 19, 2013 Does anyone have any of the plastic collar disks in their collection? I assume they are from the WWII era and the seller listed them as econo-plastic disks. Is that the correct term for them and what would a pair go for? I don't have one in my collection. Nor do I know how much they are worth. However, I did find this on page 282 of the Scipio book "The Collar Disk": "During World War II, again the availability of metal became curcial and alternatives to metal use for insignia was examined. The use of plastic substitutes for collar disks was thought to be one way to reduce the demand for metal. Known examples of these experimental insignia are cited in Plate 51. It should be emphasized that these, too, were not accepted because of their fragility and were never issued nor worn." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakkasan187 Posted September 28, 2013 Share #70 Posted September 28, 2013 Kat, I have another example to share on your post. Earlier you had posted a similar type of collar disk with the US. This one is a Field Artillery example. What appears to be a nice domed silver field artillery enlisted collar disk is not what it really appears to be. By all appearances, it looks to be regulation size and design. I don't think any senior NCO conducting an all ranks dress inspection would realize that this Collar disk also can be used to hold a picture of a loved one. This is a locket type collar disk. Not sure how common these were, but I have had this in my sweetheart jewelry collection for several years now. Here is the inside of the locket where a picture could be placed. I noticed that in the previous thread the US collar Disk locket has similar spot weld areas for the pins. Leigh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitter2k1 Posted September 29, 2013 Share #71 Posted September 29, 2013 That's a cool disc Leigh. I've never seen an example of the domed disk being used. I have seen the Type I a few times and most of those that I've seen uses a swivel instead of a hinge like your example. I'll try to find a pic to share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cutiger83 Posted September 30, 2013 Author Share #72 Posted September 30, 2013 Kat, I have another example to share on your post. Earlier you had posted a similar type of collar disk with the US. This one is a Field Artillery example. Smitty, Thank you so much for adding your example. I have never seen one for a particular branch. Very nice! ....Kat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted September 30, 2013 Share #73 Posted September 30, 2013 Two recent pick-ups....firstly a WW2 MP's disc. Secondly, an Artilleryman's disc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trubia26 Posted October 3, 2013 Share #74 Posted October 3, 2013 First of all...thanks a lot for this great thread!!...I only have one question... Type IIIB Flat clutch back (3-piece) 1943-? Type IIIB Flat clutch back (2-piece) 1946-present Here are a few examples of the Type IIIB clutch back: Type3 front.JPG What is the difference between these two "Type IIIB"?...I mean...there are two sub-types (the 3 pieces and the 2 pieces)...the examples of the pictures what kind of "type IIIB" are??? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmar Posted October 15, 2013 Share #75 Posted October 15, 2013 First of all...thanks a lot for this great thread!!...I only have one question... What is the difference between these two "Type IIIB"?...I mean...there are two sub-types (the 3 pieces and the 2 pieces)...the examples of the pictures what kind of "type IIIB" are??? Thanks! Hello! I saw your question and think I can easily clarify the primary difference between Type IIIA and IIIB. You are correct, there are sub-types that are of 3-piece and 2-piece construction for both Types IIIA & IIIB. Type IIIA are screwback Type IIIB are clutchback If anyone has additional info other than this it would be most welcome! Best wishes, Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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