Justin B. Posted June 28, 2013 Share #26 Posted June 28, 2013 Why do you guys think the white 1913-1930s style rates are so common compared to the blue ones? I have a tough time finding even some of the more common specialties on blue from that era. -Jay I've noticed that too, I always figured they made more because there was more demand, with 4 white jumpers to 3 blue in a sailor's minimum seabag, and more badge fade and wear out from more laundering. that's my guess, anyway. Justin B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topdcnut Posted June 29, 2013 Share #27 Posted June 29, 2013 After 20+ years of observation I am of the opinion that several large tailors were stuck with a ton of stock with the conversion from wool to twill chevrons on the summer rates as this was not an issue with the winter rates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nilram Posted June 30, 2013 Share #28 Posted June 30, 2013 I am with you Jason on the bullion Buglemaster. A large part of my collection is bullion CPO rates, and I too have never seen a bullion Buglemaster. -Fritz Is this what your describing? nil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zljones Posted June 30, 2013 Author Share #29 Posted June 30, 2013 Is this what your describing? nilDeck2C1.jpg Now that is just sweet! Thanks for sharing never seen one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navyman Posted June 30, 2013 Share #30 Posted June 30, 2013 Is this what your describing? nilDeck2C1.jpg Yeah that's the rate, can you show us the back? Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nilram Posted July 1, 2013 Share #31 Posted July 1, 2013 Yeah that's the rate, can you show us the back? Jason Here is the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bx Posted July 1, 2013 Share #32 Posted July 1, 2013 That is definitely it, just a beautiful rate. First and only one I have ever seen in bullion in any color. Now I can search even harder. Thank you for showing. -Fritz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bx Posted July 3, 2013 Share #33 Posted July 3, 2013 Another rate I have been trying to find for years is a khaki bullion CPO Pharmacist Mate. I have only ever seen one. Does anyone have one? -Fritz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zljones Posted July 3, 2013 Author Share #34 Posted July 3, 2013 Another rate I have been trying to find for years is a khaki bullion CPO Pharmacist Mate. I have only ever seen one. Does anyone have one? -Fritz I have never seen one of those either come to think of it. That one is also on my hit list along with just about everything else, thanks to my liquidation 3 years ago. On Corpsman one I would like to see is a 1897 style with the red cross, I am starting to doubt it exists as I have never seen an example. Inner stitching with the leaning crow, 1894-1905 style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nilram Posted July 3, 2013 Share #35 Posted July 3, 2013 Another rate I have been trying to find for years is a khaki bullion CPO Pharmacist Mate. I have only ever seen one. Does anyone have one? -Fritz Is this it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulR Posted July 4, 2013 Share #36 Posted July 4, 2013 How about turret captain as a third class? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navyman Posted July 4, 2013 Share #37 Posted July 4, 2013 How about turret captain as a third class? I have examples in blue and white,ww2 era. I don't think I ever seen a pre ww2 example in po3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpcsdan Posted July 4, 2013 Share #38 Posted July 4, 2013 John Helvey, "The Storekeeper", offered me a bullion bugler once. At the time I thought it was much too expensive. Should have accepted it then. Never been offered a Gun Captain rating badge, although John's (you know who you are) daughter says I can buy his if something happens to him. There are some good lists started here. -dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpcsdan Posted July 4, 2013 Share #39 Posted July 4, 2013 How about turret captain as a third class? It is generally believed that the responsibility of turret captain would not have been entrusted to a 3rd class petty officer in those times. I know there are Turret Captain 3rd class rating badges in collections, but I, for one, don't believe they were ever issued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navyman Posted July 4, 2013 Share #40 Posted July 4, 2013 It is generally believed that the responsibility of turret captain would not have been entrusted to a 3rd class petty officer in those times. I know there are Turret Captain 3rd class rating badges in collections, but I, for one, don't believe they were ever issued. Dan, They were made but never authorized. Probably not many were made when they realize there error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin B. Posted July 4, 2013 Share #41 Posted July 4, 2013 It is generally believed that the responsibility of turret captain would not have been entrusted to a 3rd class petty officer in those times. I know there are Turret Captain 3rd class rating badges in collections, but I, for one, don't believe they were ever issued. There were never turret captains 3c or 2c in the navy, no personnel manual or official publication lists them as rates. A gunner's mate 2c could be promoted to GM1c or TC1c; the main difference was TC specialized in turrets and turret-mounted guns. As Jason said above, the TC3c and TC2c badges that one sees are almost always WW2 period. As I said in another recent thread, I believe that's because of the rapid expansion of the wartime navy. Contracts went out for a lot more rating badges, new companies without a lot of navy experience got into the business, and they just started making badges for every stripe/specialty mark combo in the book, not knowing that some weren't actually used. Justin B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpcsdan Posted July 4, 2013 Share #42 Posted July 4, 2013 Photographic Intelligenceman CPO is quite hard to find, and very difficult to find in bullion. -dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0bx Posted July 4, 2013 Share #43 Posted July 4, 2013 Is this it?Deck18D1.jpg Like that except I actually look for the ones where the rate(red cross) is bordered with bullion. -Fritz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navyman Posted July 4, 2013 Share #44 Posted July 4, 2013 Photographic Intelligenceman CPO is quite hard to find, and very difficult to find in bullion. PhotoIntell CPO bullion_dds.jpg -dan Nice one Dan. Here's one I have in blue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navyman Posted July 4, 2013 Share #45 Posted July 4, 2013 Another rarer post war rate Boiler Technician Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpcsdan Posted August 1, 2013 Share #46 Posted August 1, 2013 Another rarer post war rate Boiler Technician picture 14003.jpg Jason Very scarce in that config, Jason. Here's what is more often found, and even this config is scarce: -dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navyman Posted August 2, 2013 Share #47 Posted August 2, 2013 Dan, I bought this uniform a month ago that has a Boiler Tech. on. Also got his pants and hat, but that's for another thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpcsdan Posted August 3, 2013 Share #48 Posted August 3, 2013 Dan, I bought this uniform a month ago that has a Boiler Tech. on. Also got his pants and hat, but that's for another thread. scan0001.jpg Nice, Jason. I had seen that uniform for sale on eBay a couple of years ago. It was the second example of that configuration that I had seen, your blue version being the other. I had started a discussion with John Stacey on that particular config. -dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navyman Posted August 3, 2013 Share #49 Posted August 3, 2013 Dan, What era do you think the khaki BT is from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpcsdan Posted August 3, 2013 Share #50 Posted August 3, 2013 Dan, I bought this uniform a month ago that has a Boiler Tech. on. Also got his pants and hat, but that's for another thread. scan0001.jpg Nice, Jason. I had seen that uniform for sale on eBay a couple of years ago. It was the second example of that configuration that I had seen. Your blue version that John Helvey use to have was the first example I'd seen. I had started a discussion with John Stacey on that particular config. If I'm remembering my khaki history correctly, it would be 1974, just before collar devices replaced CPO rating badges on khaki, and just before khaki was discontinued (until its recent reinstatement). -dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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